Rising Malevolence vs. The Enterprise Incident

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Welcome to the Trek Wars Podcast,
the one podcast that dares to ask the

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most important question in a fandom,
which is better Star Trek or Star Wars

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by going through both franchises in chronological
release order. I am but one of

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your co hosts, Kenny Madison,
the Star Trek contingent with me as Per

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always is the co host with the
my hosts. I am but Aspen Webster,

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a Star Wars contingent member of which
we are Legion and Kenny can't stop

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us but to help bridge the gap
and hopefully broke a repeat between our two

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warring factions. Is our guest today, Andrea Tomorrow Walton. Welcome to the

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show, host of Lasso Cast General
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Yeah? Do you have anything that
you like about yourself? Oh? Gosh,

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has fine opines. I love Star
Trek, Star Wars and books.

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What story like? I love her
Cule Paro. Stop, look at that

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tattoo too. Oh that's good.
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Oh yes, my partner and I
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My partner is Joel Kitty as looks
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I don't know why I said my
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He went on an entire he watched
every poor Ro episode like the like

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that show. Loved it, like
couldn't get enough of it. And so

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that's me right now. I loved
it so much. I found there's an

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audiobook of all the short stories of
Agatha Christie told by like the audiobooks read

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by the cast of that show.
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lovely, that's such a good time. I actually directed a murder mystery show,

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an improv show that was like specifically
poor Ro esque in that it was

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like or like a little bit of
like Knives out Us, where it's like,

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you know, because he's always like
happens to be like on vacation and

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then the thing happens and it's like, well shit. It was like that.

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Anyway, if we want to do
a poor road book, Yes,

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I am in for a poor opok
asked I am in very cool tattoo.

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And I like ice cream as well. Oknny are you rolling your eyes?

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No, I'm just trying to ice
cream. No, I'm just you talking

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about ice cream. Is sending a
chill up my spine thinking about these two

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episodes and what happens. Oh,
yeah, I guess we're talking about Sarar

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and the Star Trek. Indeed,
two diplomatic incidences that could be the fate

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of the galaxy as we talk Rising
Malevolence episode one or episode two of season

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one of Star Wars the Clone Wars. Correct almost didn't pull that one out,

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guys, Versus the enterprise incident of
season three of Star Trek the original

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series. Especially in Star Series.
Yes, great job, Thank you so

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much. Please spunch for folks that
are playing the home game. Should we

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gives synopsis for what the heck these
things are? I'd say, so,

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if you want it, should I
go first? I should go first,

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because in a rare a bout of
not being with it, I do not

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have it pulled up. Oh,
in a rare bout of actually being what

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I got it, boy, I
Wars the Clone War was yep, let's

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see Rising Malevolence. Malevolence is italicized
because it's the name of the weapon anyway.

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Air date October third, two thousand
and eight. Director was Folooney.

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Writers Stephen Melching. Ah, I'm
gonna read the official description here, creating

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panic throughout the galaxy, a devastating
separatist mystery weapon terrorizes the Clone star Fleet.

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Anakin and Ahsoka race to save Jedi
Master Plocun and his Clone troopers.

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In time, Jedi Master plocun Is
squad really survive an attack from a mysterious

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separatist warship called the Malevolence? Can
they stay alive long enough for Anakin and

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Asoka to find them? Who wrote
that that's like repetitive copy? Okay,

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official discripsion. Someone's gonna find me
and they'd be like you try you too,

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batter I got I got paid,
Nichols, I got paid, Nichols

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oh Man. Yeah, that's speak
speaking of getting paid. The Enterprise Incident

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directed by a former showrunner, John
Marriedith Lucas and written by feminist icon Dorothy

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Fontana. Yes we stand on Guard
for the from the syndicated column TV Previews,

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which was carried into Toledo Blade serving
Toledo, Ohio. An unidentified critic

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wrote an excellent episode that combines enough
of Star Trek's very best elements to add

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up to a first rate and among
the wonders on display tonight, the death

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of Captain Kirk, the love life
of mister Spock, a siege of the

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spaceship Enterprise and an exciting espionage tale. When Captain Kirk suddenly turns on his

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crew and irresponsibly orders them into territory
help by the Romulans, it looks like

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the end of the starship and its
mission. Spoiler alert in case Andrea you

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didn't finish this episode, they get
out of it. Yeah, And I

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know I was shocked too. I
thought that this week, Sure, what's

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going to be Dad, I'm sure
this was the end? That's right?

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Can you imagine it would have been
so brave kill off Captain Kirk, just

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keep the season going. Imagine.
I'm sure the rest of the cast would

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have been like, great, wonderful. Yeah right. I mean what's funny

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is the idea even of a captain's
spock. That's what that cool Romulin commander

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who was really into him kept suggesting. I was into the idea of big

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time. Yeah. Can you please
segue? That's so badly catty? Speaking

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speaking of hot unsaid tension, what's
your experience with both of these franchises?

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My experience with both of these franchises
are these episodes franchises these franchises. Because

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you're a guest, and I mean, we like to talk about which one's

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better Star Treker Star Wars, but
really is just a good excuse for us

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to gap about our favorite things.
Yeah, and we've already talked about you

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enough, so we figure we'll talk
about your experience with Star Trek and Star

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Wars. I'm a lifer in both
franchises, watched both since I mean from

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as well as far as I can
remember, I was watching Star Wars,

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Star Trek and Doctor Who, the
Big Three, Yes, Chile, and

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I just love I mean, I
love both of them for different things,

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and I hate when they're put up
against each other and like a really you

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know, aggressive way. Not what
you guys do. I think that is

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this podcast. That's what we do. Will There are times though I want

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to throw some of the things out
the window and I get annoyed, you

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know, But I love I love
them both. And yeah, so life

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for like I said, I saw, I was born in nineteen seventy three,

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Yes, and that's that's well into
Star Teks running syndication, yes,

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and Star Wars, iscation of both
Doctor Who. I've done with Doctor Who

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and start Star Horse Start is that
the year and resigned it might be?

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And then yes, then watching the
original series on Syndication, the animated series

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on Syndication until the glorious year that
TNG came out. Truly what oh,

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I'm so excited to just talk about
Palette Setting with TG whenever that comes out,

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because that thing was controversial as hell. Ass my my god, so

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excited. Good for me when he
says when he says we're no one has

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gone before instead of where no man
has gone before. I literally cried.

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I cried, I wept tears.
That's better than what I thought you were

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going to say, which is that
people were very angry. I'm sure they

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were. They were they thought it
was beautiful, they were There were campaigns

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who were like next Generation not real
Star Trek because it's no Mayan, no

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Mayan. Yeah. I mean,
well it wasn't Kirk Spock and McCoy.

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Yeah. Well we'll talk about that
like ooh, but this is very cool

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to have been like yeah, like
to have watched TOOS and Syndication like be

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there as like these things began.
Oohol. I mean what next Generation when

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a premiere? Whenever you are fourteen
m I think it was fourteen, right,

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exact year Nixon resigned. Whenever you
were born. We know that.

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Let's make a timeline important moments in
history. Let's see Iran Contra was whenever

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you were seven or eight, nineteen
eighty seven, I was thirteen, Yeah,

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fourteen fourteen, you're righty seven?
Uh? And so whenever next generation

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came along, were you just amped
for more Star Trek or were you just

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like, not my Star Trek?
Sorry? Ron he resigned at seventy four,

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Please go, please go on.
Nothing happened in seventy three. Nothing,

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just a collective nation just kind of
looking at each other on the couch

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being like, did you say something
nothing to watch on TV? No,

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Walter Cronkite, Sorry, you're I
was saying, though, I'm so sorry,

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I totally what did you ask on? Uh? Well, just because

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you you might be old enough to
well you are old enough because you talk

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about hearing where no one had gone
before, has gone before, and that

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being a moment, Uh what you
were your feelings leading up to next generation?

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Just being like you just amped for
new Star Trek. Yeah, It's

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just that's how I feel like,
That's how I've always been. Like,

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it's so funny than the way people
are like, oh my god, they're

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going to make a new one,
and it's you know, like, it's

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not my star Trek, Like,
what do you mean? It's fun?

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Like I love that there's a star
Trek all the time, Like you know,

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yes, yeah, I mean it's
baked into the structure that this thing

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could be anything that it wants to
be. Yeah. Really, the only

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commonality is that all of these things
have been set in Starfleeton. Even Card

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starts out as a lifelong starf leader, being like, I can't really opt

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written Starfleet anymore, can I?
Which is a bold question that asked.

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When I know that you're very excited
about that premise, I promise you not

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tackled as well as you want it
to be. I'm always interested in the

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idea of a militarized structure being the
sole focused point of a proposed utopian future,

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speaking of a militarized structure of that
being the central focus for a utopian

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future. What's your relationship with Star
Wars? Just just liking it whenever the

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well, what do you think about
the prequels? What are what stands out?

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What do you like about Star Wars? Well? So the yeah,

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so right, so we have established
So I saw three movies in the theater

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of the original trilogy and loved and
loved it. I was Princess Leiah for

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Halloween. For I was like Christmas
and Christmas every day and you can't.

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You can't be Leah you last day, Yes you care. I was actually

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extremely disappointed when the they never I
always hope that the next trilogy, like

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the next three movies, were going
to be Leah's story. I wanted Lea

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to become a Jedi, and that
never happened, and that was, you

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know, broke my heart a little
bit. Yeah, what are you talking

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about. She clearly trained Ray as
a Jedi and Rides of Skywalker because she

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used, but we never saw her
her journey as a Jedi. Yeah,

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so one brief training montage with Luke. I will say, I don't.

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I don't. I won't say that. I I guess I I guess I

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would say in some ways I prefer
Trek over Wars, but I think it's

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just because I feel like Star Wars
gets stuck in itself. It gets stuck

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in what it's supposed to be,
and you know, like I don't know,

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like it it won't come out of
that world. Like I just said,

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I love Dareth Vader. I don't
need to keep hearing stories about Dareth

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Vader. We can move on and
learn about other stories and the Skywalkers,

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you know, like like I loved
and or specifically because it had nothing to

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do Like I was really disappointed at
the end when they you know that scene

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after the when they showed that,
Yes, I was just like disappointing,

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we have to bring it back to
this fucking story. Ever, we did

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not need to know what the heck
all of their work was going towards,

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because it's just better if it's just
empty work that we don't know what the

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function of it is. Yeah,
so have I have a more complicated relationship

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with Star Wars, but I love
it. I mean I can't say that

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it's bad or what ever. I
just it's complicated. Who if if if

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Star Wars and Star Trek were embodied
as human people and then they were forced

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together in a Gamesters of Triskellian situation. Wow, well, I think Star

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Wars is tougher. Star Wars is
the more scrappy tougher like you know,

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lean like hasn't eaten in a while, and it is kind of like right,

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the Star Trek people will be all
like, well, you know regulations,

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unless there's Jane Way and which in
which case it would order Star Wars

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back into the transporters so it could
split it back apart. Oh wow,

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wow, I got that. I
am going to ask, but i'd be

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allowed back on this show when you
do two X Oh absolutely, A should

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be back in twenty years, so
you can't come back between now and then

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ever again for I'm going to send
you a list of episodes. I want

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to talk about Plate and I welcome
it. Oh my god, that's a

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great episode. It's really good.
And I'm not particularly a fan of Voyager,

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but watching that episode, I was
like, they are really really going

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there. This is a good interesting
philosophical question. And yes, the sky

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playing two X rules, he really
does. He's really good speaking of rich

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philosophical discussions. First impressions of both
Rising Malevolence and the Enterprise incident and Clas

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I'm clapping Aspen. Had you seen
the Enterprise incident before? No? What'd

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you think? Loved it? Way
in so in I have to tell you

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a secret. I watched this over
a week ago and how I'm like,

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what happened? I like looking at
my notes and I'm like this is why

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you take better notes. That's been
just in case. But sorry, I

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did the line I did right?
Was is this episode the first to feature

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a female starship commander, though she
still has to wand out fuck? However,

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I'm pretty cool with it because fuck
is hot. That's so good to

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no, good to ow. I
loved it. I was having a great

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time. It was great. She's
the first, she's first commander who's not

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name Susman. Yeah, and it
was great, great time. I've never

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seen it before, that's my answer. That's a hot app. I don't

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know if I've even seen anything in
season three. I'm like, genuinely,

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I don't think I ever have.
So maybe a couple if I had to

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venture a guest, You've probably seen
Tholey and Webb, and you'll find out

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whenever we get there, you'll know. You'll know pretty quickly. You'll know.

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Sounds like a boat there. No, it's it's good, It's it's

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good. Okay, all right,
that silence and actually lengthened that silence,

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just bleep it out. Yeah,
it's good, it's good. Oh boy,

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howdy. Yeah. Andrea first impressions
with the Enterprise Incident, an episode

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that you've probably seen a couple of
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yes, but it was good to
revisit it and that kind of,

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you know, being a little bit
more critical of it. Right. Yeah.

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The one thing actually I wrote down
that I wanted to ask is why

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was she why was she shocked?
Well? Can I ask a question?

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Or maybe I should just this is
just froze impressions. I enjoyed it.

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I loved it. You do everyone
ask a question? None of this is

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real? Yeah, this is all
construct right, I knew it were a

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lot. Why was she confused about
Spock being Why was she surprised Spock was

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on the ship? This is it
was a It was the Vulcans and humans

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coming together and making Starfleet. Why
was she confused? Is it just bad

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romulin like intel? They thought it
was just the humans. Textually, he

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doesn't she looks really surprised. Doesn't
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it, and it might be something
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There aren't a lot of Vulcans at
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it still was the joining of Vulcans
and humans. Humans. It wasn't a

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human endeavor solely, And maybe again, I feel like Starfleet because I think

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it's Starfleet, right or am I
right? Right? Right? Yeah?

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so what wait wait wait wait wait
wait wait I don't. I don't I've

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never seen Enterprise. What are you
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I believe and correct me if I'm
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romulent commander would not know that a
Vulcan would be on board, uh starship

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whenever within the canon of Star Trek, humans and Vulcans created Starfleet and the

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Fed together. Yes, but at
this point Vulcans are just dudes except for

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to bring into Powell. So I'm
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this, not what we actually know
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it's it's pretty much all over the
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may mean that's it all of those
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so much, so good Live for
a lower decks. I mean, there

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are questions that I have about the
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I like how heightened this feels.
I'm kind of just going along with it

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because it's fun. There's a certain
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fact that she was never actually put
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that bar? Never seen a woman
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on Star Trek not get that before. I was like, oh, I

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guess yeah, I don't know.
There's probably some complexity to it that we

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could probably fit around and flit around
with and figure out. But but I'm

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not You're You're not I'm not not
with you? Is when I'm I'm not

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like not not not with you.
I'm like but like a anti pro nuts

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the kind you naughty? Sorry,
what's your take? I mean, I

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I think that this episode is nice, pulpy fun. Uh. There are

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better episodes as Star Trek, but
I just better episodes of your face.

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Yeah, and I think that I'm
a pretty good looking guy, but like

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better, better looking at pictures out
there. I'm sorry, I didn't.

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I didn't mean to explode that way. No, no, no, no

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no, in order to get your
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should be a requirement going forward.
I need you to put other things down.

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I think it's required. No.
This episode is like a fun,

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pulpy thing, ripped straight from the
headlines, which we'll get into in a

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little bit. And I'm pretty excited
because I didn't actually know that. It's

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pretty awesome. I know what you're
talking about. Oh, thank goodness,

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will you? I don't yayho?
Should we should? We? Should?

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We? I think we're going to
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a construct, everything is a constrict
We're gonna go take the deep dive.

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Yeah. Yeah. This is the
Enterprise Incident, written by feminist icon Dorothy

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Fontana's ripped from the headlines. Yes, what are those headlines? Is loosely

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I'm taking this from Wikipedia, to
which I give money, so it's a

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nonprofit, just like it is loosely
based on the Pebbelo instant, in which

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a United States Navy ship and its
crew were seized and the crew held on

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charges of espionage for almost a year
after the ship allegedly strayed into North Grew

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waters. That's kind of the basic
of it. And so that happened.

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What was that you said this would
have been like, when did that happen?

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The incident itself, it started January
twenty third, nineteen sixty eight.

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Sore, you go right at the
timing. Uh. Yeah, The USS

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Pueblo, a communications monitoring ship,
was attacked by North Korean naval vessels and

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Russian made meg Jet fighters off the
waters of North Korea. When the Koreans

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boarded the ship, the captain and
his crew were caught destroying electronic equipment a

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top secret documents. The eighty two
Pueblo surviyors were then held prisoner in North

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Korea, where they were relentlessly interrogated
and often tortured for eleven long months until

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the very end of nineteen sixty eight. And Dorothy Fontana naturally went, what

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a star trek, What a star
trek? What a star trek did then

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what if my boy Spock, my
boy, what if my sweet boy whose

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emotional state I like to explore?
I would say that DC Fonta had such

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a read on like the female gaze. Well, right, yeah, I

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think so yes, absolutely wild.
Okay, So two things. One,

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NBC was like, good, go
get this episode into production as quickly as

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possible, because they were like,
boy, I hope that Pueblo incident doesn't

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wrap up, because as long as
the thing's in the news, we got

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hot up. I hope they don't
stop torture. Yeah, And whenever this

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episode aired, the Pueblo incident was
still ongoing, and whenever it resolved,

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they re aired the Enterprise incident as
that that week's episode of Star Trek.

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And that is spectacle right there.
Remember that even protest under capitalist regimes can

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become endeared for capitalist means. And
then number two, uh shocking, no

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one, Uh the romance subplot was
not a Dorothy Fontana Well wait wait,

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wait wait wait, it's not that. It wasn't that, or maybe you

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know better. It's just that the
original Okay, you probably have more content,

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but I do have the context that
in the original script there was more

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like kissing and stuff and like kiss
saying all over like shoulders. Yes,

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she did not put that in there. She did not put that and put

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that in there. No, Fred
Freiberger put that in there. What the

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internet line to me? Oh,
shucker. Either way, it was a

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man that put that in there,
and Dorothy was like, look, I

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know that I don't work on Star
Trek anymore, and like I did this

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on assignment. I'm not in the
room, but like, yeah, guys,

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can you I'm not saying this like
to be a jerk, but like

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I literally started with the show buggins, don't kiss? Can you like fix

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it? Can you stop? And
they could do hand scissoring, which is

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that's canon. Scissoring is canon,
right, I got to write that down

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time. So okay, so sorry. So originally there wasn't going to be

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no it was just a commander,
okay, and his name was that commander

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dude. It was just a replication
of the Pueblo incident but with Star Trek

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and the logical inconsistency news that are
in this episode were really not present in

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Dorothy Fontana's earlier drafts. But because
the new showrunner doesn't really know Star Trek

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as much, and then also the
new showrunner is acquiescing to other demands,

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TV demands, actor demands things.
I mean, make no mistake, this

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is a this is a good app
of Star Trek, but like the commander

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of the vessel is quite incompetent because
her woman gets in the way. And

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meanwhile, the original drafted this,
there's no romance, right, but there's

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also no woman. Oh yeah,
I love it. Pushback come on as

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well? No, no, I
mean, like, don't get me wrong,

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Dorothy is my girl every time.
Every time there's an episode that she

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writes that sucks, it's because someone
came in and destroyed it and messed it

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up, and her original idea was
the best. I think it probably would

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have been a very good episode,
and I was very much the like,

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Okay, we can't just have we
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be a woman and have her just
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Come on? Yeah. So there
is a frustration I have there that

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is real and valid, and it
is a problem, and it's pretty clearly

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actually, like a dude coming in
and being like, I really, she's

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a lady's sister. Got to be
into someone, right, am I?

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Right? You know how ladies are
with their periods, So they're going to

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set off there no clear weapons because
of the appearance. What do they have?

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They've got periods? I'm not people
are with uterus have periods. I

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don't. I'm can you tell me
what this is? I think it's important

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for me to know what you're talking
about. So while she's not bleeding,

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I don't know. I they don't
have the same reproductive cycle. Yeah,

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I want to know Dolins bleed.
Now I need to know the Oh God,

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sometimes i'd be interested to hear what
you you think, Andrea. I

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you know how there's like a sort
of in the context of the time,

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it's just like there's a frustration.
There's clearly something that's there's like a Okay,

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well, if we're going to have
a woman like she needs to be

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a little dumb and be so taken
by Spock watching it, I didn't get

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actually a feeling of like incompetence.
I thought that she was actually angling for

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something very specific, and she just
she her strategy was wrong, and like

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she she like she chose with the
information that she had to believe something here

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is a vulcan who cannot tell us
and based on like all the evidence that

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she was being given and kind of
also but so she is both this person

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in charge and then also like someone
who can feel very deeply. So sometimes

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I do get a little bit like
in our current context, which is it's

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always hard to navigate these different eras
in time. I I there was a

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period of time with characters who are
women who it was like you either had

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to be one thing or the other. You could never experience like romance or

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love or affection. You had to
either be powerful or this other thing.

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like joy to there's something very sexy in

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her power of being attracted to a
very attractive person who we all like are

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like, yeah, we like when
this guy gets a little bit like vulnerable,

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you know, right, it was
complicated for me, you know,

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I agree, I think there.
Yeah, there's definitely something with watching you

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know, even reading books from Yesteryear
that it's hard, right, it's hard

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to watch. I'm just like,
I remember when I was rewatching too Wes

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recently, I was just like,
oh my god, like really every alien

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woman is just like fawning over Kirk. I mean, you know, he's

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a good looking guy, and I
have to say I really liked him with

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the romulin. Oh yeah, he
looked hot with the romulin eyebrows and ears,

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you know, secretly mulins. Yeah, we all just realized something about

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ourselves today. But there's you know, like I agree with you, and

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but there was she was showing something
different, which which I think what Star

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Trek was successful in, even though
it did fall into a lot of these

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tropes, right like Yohara is there
being fucking powerful badass that she is,

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right and having this Romulin woman,
yeah, it's the same thing. I

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completely agree with you. Having her
be nuanced was great, like she was

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a woman can be all these things. That was awesome to see. I

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completely agree with you. She herself
was also very hot. She was in

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a very like power holding on this. I have a wonderful piece. The

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actress that is playing Romilan, the
unnamed Romeian commander, is Joanne Linville,

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who is forty years old. Whenever
she is playing this, uh you do

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love to see it? Yes,
Like forty is like, but I'm like,

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yes, thank you, right,
but insta in Hollywood, Yeah,

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she's freaking ancient. Oh my gosh. Oh. And so the original costume,

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designed by uh Bill Tye, was
much bustier, and Joanne Linville said,

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this is not for me, and
she took the fabric off the model

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and because it was in one piece, she pulled it over her shoulder down

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around her legs up around her waist, tied it and said it should be

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this, and Bill Tye made it
just like that. He agreed to do

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it that way because he knew I
knew Joanne the character more than he did.

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He was going to have her be
very sexy. Joanne says, well,

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no, wrong, what he got
from me was a soldier. I

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feel like crying, Oh yes,
bitch, yes, yeah, look yeah,

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And I do appreciate being corrected on
that because I'm forgetting a whole bunch

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of like historical context, because this
character is allowed to be If it was

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just a direct replication of the Pueblo
incident, it would be good. But

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there is a particular deliciousness with the
performance that is involved from romulent Commander that

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is just unexpected. Yeah, it's
a compelling performance, it is. It's

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it's quite well written, well acted. And then Spock Nimoy gets to play

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something that he he has had show
Mance's hand fucking hands. It's ok.

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I'm gonna isolate that and use that
as social media if everyone's okay with that,

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No, do not comply, understood, understood. But he gets to

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be he gets to be attractive,
He gets to be sexy. I'm thinking

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of the other time that he's had
romance, which was This Side of Paradise

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where he was under the effect of
spores, and it was a different character

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because he's playing Spot with the Mautians
and there's been with to Pring where he's

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so horny he wants to die.
We're a late of is rough. Yeah,

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man, it does seem aw in
this episode. Uh you get a

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Rami the commander, who is so
horny for Spot and she's willing to jeopardize

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the cooking device, which, honestly, having seen him shirtless recently in the

404
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Nazi episode, I understand. Yeah, it's a force. The Nazi episode,

405
00:37:17.679 --> 00:37:24.400
Spock was so hot in the Nazi
episode, he's he's a good looking

406
00:37:24.639 --> 00:37:30.679
man. There's a reason that Leonard
Nimoy was getting more fan mail than William

407
00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:37.400
Shatner. I also would I don't
know if you have like a read on

408
00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:40.239
this, but when I'm kind of
thinking of the sort of female gaze too,

409
00:37:42.039 --> 00:37:46.039
there is something in like the likest
me. If I have a reading

410
00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:50.559
on the female gaze, I have
comments about the female gays, I feel

411
00:37:50.599 --> 00:38:00.960
threatened by it. Good and you
know these almost like regency esque kind of

412
00:38:01.039 --> 00:38:07.719
like like the sort of yeah,
it's it's very it's very subtle in moments

413
00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:14.239
and kind of like a withholding but
also pushed and his sort of like emotional

414
00:38:14.480 --> 00:38:19.119
with like the way he's mostionally withdrawn. I think is a little a feeling

415
00:38:19.880 --> 00:38:22.400
from like a someone who's read a
lot of fan fiction. You know,

416
00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:27.800
you know what I mean as an
archetype. Oh, I'm not surprised,

417
00:38:30.400 --> 00:38:35.199
You're just like I can fix them, right, I'll make him feel something.

418
00:38:37.159 --> 00:38:40.360
I think that's why a Spock's not
not to just hop in here.

419
00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:45.320
But I just I love that trait
of thought, of regency behind it.

420
00:38:45.360 --> 00:38:51.320
That's why Spock is so compelling,
because there's so much that he wants to

421
00:38:51.360 --> 00:38:57.119
say but he can't. And I
mean going back to how eroticism is expressed

422
00:38:57.119 --> 00:39:05.199
in this TV show, true and
touching that well, sometimes God's kisses if

423
00:39:05.199 --> 00:39:12.440
it's Shannery, yes, but not
if it's back Yeah Shanner human Spock vulcan

424
00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:15.079
true, Right, I mean I
think that whole idea, right, Like

425
00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:19.440
I think data is the next kind
of idea of that, right, where

426
00:39:20.119 --> 00:39:23.360
someone who wants to wants to be
or Spot doesn't want to be emotional,

427
00:39:23.440 --> 00:39:27.519
right, he doesn't. He doesn't
want to be, but he's at having

428
00:39:27.559 --> 00:39:31.239
that war within himself, right,
where like data is the next version of

429
00:39:31.280 --> 00:39:35.320
that where it's like I want to
be more human. I don't want you

430
00:39:35.400 --> 00:39:37.400
know, I don't want to be
a robot. I want to be human.

431
00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:42.760
I want to have feelings. It's
it's it's always a compelling you know,

432
00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:45.639
narrative. It's always a compelling story. It's always that character is always

433
00:39:45.679 --> 00:39:53.960
so interesting because they're battling their humanity, right Frankenstein, Yes, Oh gosh,

434
00:39:54.440 --> 00:40:00.360
we're human. I always say,
like stories, I think this comes

435
00:40:00.400 --> 00:40:02.199
up in a lot of sci fi, a lot where it's it's the idea

436
00:40:02.199 --> 00:40:07.840
of what is it to be human? We talked about that and start like

437
00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:10.400
that's like one of the first things
I feel like we talked about, Like

438
00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:15.079
I see is this if, like
we you have to be taken to the

439
00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:20.199
far flung reaches of space to realize
what it is to be human kind of

440
00:40:20.239 --> 00:40:22.000
thing, like to be so separated
from it that you realize what it is

441
00:40:22.039 --> 00:40:28.199
that really makes us tick. And
so thispock becomes this very interesting foil and

442
00:40:28.280 --> 00:40:31.920
that gives us insight into like the
differences and what Yeah, what it could

443
00:40:31.920 --> 00:40:38.039
be. That's why vampires are so
interesting. And also they want their humanity

444
00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:40.480
back, they want to feel the
sun, they want to be alive.

445
00:40:42.519 --> 00:40:57.480
And also because it's the achilli you
you on your period, on your period.

446
00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:08.280
So he's up speaking of vampires and
dark places that are thirsting for blood

447
00:41:12.320 --> 00:41:15.199
in general, Bravis, we gotta
talk about Star Wars. Yes, let's

448
00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:21.840
talk about Star Wars. Yes,
Soca Soca. Oh so our girl,

449
00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:29.320
ah, Soska, she is the
best, do so good. I couldn't

450
00:41:29.320 --> 00:41:35.239
remember if in this episode we knew
Oh in this episode that she reveals Plokon

451
00:41:35.360 --> 00:41:52.119
is her her oldest friend, Yes, my old Yeah, because I I

452
00:41:52.119 --> 00:41:54.320
guess it's must be revealed at some
point in the show. But obviously entails

453
00:41:54.360 --> 00:41:58.880
the Jedi, right, Like I
think, is it Chona tails the Jedi,

454
00:41:58.880 --> 00:42:01.360
that it's Plocon that goes to to
retrieve her. It must be.

455
00:42:01.800 --> 00:42:06.760
There are like flashbacks too throughout Clone
Wars when you see him with her when

456
00:42:06.800 --> 00:42:09.960
she's very young. Yeah, yeah, so it's it might not be in

457
00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:14.039
the context when we were like doing
super spoiler. No, but I think

458
00:42:14.079 --> 00:42:15.960
you know, Kenny, like,
yeah, I've watched Tales of the Jedi.

459
00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:22.679
Yeah, and also I mean it's
it's revealed in the episode that Master

460
00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:27.800
Plow is her oldest like he's the
one that found her right right right right?

461
00:42:27.920 --> 00:42:30.159
Yeah, So okay, cool,
cool, not a spoiler something that

462
00:42:30.239 --> 00:42:36.719
happens in the episode. Oops,
it's been over a week and I don't

463
00:42:36.760 --> 00:42:39.320
know, wait, maybe also have
so I've seen this episode before because I've

464
00:42:39.320 --> 00:42:44.199
seen all of Clone Wars. What
I realized watching us by the way,

465
00:42:44.199 --> 00:42:46.239
though, is when we first started
watching Clone Wars, it was kind of

466
00:42:46.280 --> 00:42:50.760
like on in the background, sort
of like we'd have it on walk cooking

467
00:42:50.880 --> 00:42:53.519
and stuff, and you know,
I'd be watching it, like watching it

468
00:42:53.559 --> 00:42:57.360
with Joel, my partner, and
we'd be like this is nice and me

469
00:42:57.440 --> 00:43:00.239
we'll just like make this up.
Yes that's right with them. Some people

470
00:43:00.320 --> 00:43:08.840
are cute and I married them.
So it is like and watching it and

471
00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:13.599
so now getting to watch it,
I've only watched it once. Most I

472
00:43:13.679 --> 00:43:15.360
watched some of them twice, but
this one I watched ones watching it again

473
00:43:15.360 --> 00:43:17.880
and getting to really like focus in
on it, I was like, this

474
00:43:19.039 --> 00:43:24.159
is so, this is so rad. So that's how I Yeah, that's

475
00:43:24.239 --> 00:43:30.000
that's my side of this. Yeah, I don't know how about y'all.

476
00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:31.800
What about you, Andrea, what
do you think of this? Appen?

477
00:43:31.960 --> 00:43:37.800
Hot app not app I love it? Well, I I I also I

478
00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:40.559
did not watch any of the animated
Star Wars for a very long time.

479
00:43:42.079 --> 00:43:44.960
Excellent, give me that context.
I was like, I don't. I

480
00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:47.519
don't remember what my attitude about it
was, but I was just kind of

481
00:43:47.559 --> 00:43:50.679
like, I think I maybe even
tried to watch one, and I was

482
00:43:50.719 --> 00:43:52.119
like, I don't know, like
this isn't me, Like, I don't,

483
00:43:52.880 --> 00:43:58.000
I'm not getting this. Well,
what was your relationship to the Star

484
00:43:58.039 --> 00:44:06.000
Wars prequels? Oh no, no, no, at the time, also

485
00:44:06.199 --> 00:44:12.039
complicated because I well, yeah,
I just remember going in to see the

486
00:44:12.079 --> 00:44:19.400
first one, Yeah, feeling very
disappointed initially, and upon rewatching it later,

487
00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:23.960
I've liked it so like I'm back
in. But it was definitely I

488
00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:28.679
think that unfortunately, I think the
bar of the original trilogy was so high.

489
00:44:29.199 --> 00:44:35.679
Yeah, they he almost couldn't He
almost couldn't make it, almost couldn't,

490
00:44:36.079 --> 00:44:39.280
you know, achieve what we all
wanted. But not with his attitude.

491
00:44:39.519 --> 00:44:45.559
Then I was gonna say, but
I think there's plenty of there's plenty

492
00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:50.840
of things he could have done to
make those movies better. But I'm also

493
00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:53.320
a fan of you know again,
Darth Vader, and I think I think

494
00:44:53.360 --> 00:44:58.480
his story is compelling. I think
he's so interesting, and I thought that

495
00:44:58.599 --> 00:45:04.239
was told very well with the prequels, I didn't love, you know,

496
00:45:04.320 --> 00:45:07.360
there's things, yeah, especially that
freaking especially that first one with the little

497
00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:14.920
kid version of Anakin and jar Jar. Yes, well, because Charge is

498
00:45:14.920 --> 00:45:19.079
a funnier character than we've had before. Is funny. He's like like he's

499
00:45:19.400 --> 00:45:24.039
the center of all this. He's
the sad sad there's funny. He's not

500
00:45:24.159 --> 00:45:28.719
cute. He's not cute. He
was always messing up. It's not cute.

501
00:45:28.760 --> 00:45:30.920
It's not cute. I'm not a
fan. I'm sorry. It is

502
00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:37.360
a Charge episodes coming up in Colone
Oars. Indeed, it's very excited.

503
00:45:38.760 --> 00:45:43.239
Maybe I should come back for that
one so I can rant about jar Jar

504
00:45:44.840 --> 00:45:52.480
and piss everybody off. No,
but no Charge, we're being riddic.

505
00:45:54.440 --> 00:45:58.280
But so going back to this episode. So I'm going back to this So

506
00:45:58.800 --> 00:46:05.039
I yeah, so I did you
missed out all the animated stuff? And

507
00:46:05.079 --> 00:46:07.960
then I was like, this is
the ship, Like, this is the

508
00:46:08.159 --> 00:46:13.320
ship. This is almost better than
any of the movies, Like I would

509
00:46:13.400 --> 00:46:19.400
rather watch not the original trilogy.
Well again that the original trilogy is this

510
00:46:19.519 --> 00:46:23.719
thing of like it's its own thing, it's its own thing, and it

511
00:46:23.800 --> 00:46:29.840
was this point, you know,
being a child and experiencing that, like

512
00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:35.719
we even saw we even went to
see Star Wars in Argentina subtitled in Spanish,

513
00:46:35.920 --> 00:46:40.880
Oh wait is Argentina where the Yavin
bass is no Guatemalas Oh yeah,

514
00:46:40.960 --> 00:46:45.039
yeah that's Guatemala because Oscar Isaac is
Guatemalan. And so he talked about how

515
00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:51.159
it's like really fun like because they
actually filmed then in Guatemala again with the

516
00:46:51.920 --> 00:46:54.760
roller basin. Was he born at
the base? Yeah, he's a real

517
00:46:54.800 --> 00:47:04.159
rebel. Whoa whoaly Right, But
it's almost like the it's almost like the

518
00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:14.599
original trilogy has this like pedestal of
memory and right childhood stuff that it's almost

519
00:47:14.719 --> 00:47:19.599
unbeatable and like, you know,
it is what it is, there exists.

520
00:47:19.599 --> 00:47:22.519
I've been thinking about this more and
more the further we go in this

521
00:47:22.599 --> 00:47:28.840
podcast. But there's this religious fervor
that it's involved with Star Wars with specifically

522
00:47:28.960 --> 00:47:35.440
with certain sects of toxic fandom where
you Star Wars and I guess Disney has

523
00:47:35.519 --> 00:47:38.320
kind of adopted some of this,
at least with the things where it's like,

524
00:47:38.440 --> 00:47:46.360
here's our tent poles and it wants
to hit that particular flavor of Star

525
00:47:46.440 --> 00:47:52.199
Wars because we tried to figure out
what exactly makes Star Wars star Wars,

526
00:47:53.280 --> 00:47:59.440
and whenever all eyes are on it, no one likes it. But then

527
00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:01.800
Phone Wars just kind of happens in
the background, and it's kind of allowed

528
00:48:01.840 --> 00:48:07.639
to do what it's allowed to have
done because Lucas makes a hundred episode order

529
00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:13.559
and just lets it happen and no
one's watching, and suddenly it's declared a

530
00:48:13.599 --> 00:48:20.360
masterpiece, which is very interesting also, and being allowed to do its own

531
00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:24.119
thing because no one was excited for
an and or show and because of that

532
00:48:24.199 --> 00:48:29.480
it gets to do its own thing. What do you think about that take?

533
00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:37.400
I had asthmen, cool, unbelievable, You're doing great, You're you're

534
00:48:37.480 --> 00:48:43.320
so smart. Shut up as you're
like, I would say, glad to

535
00:48:43.360 --> 00:48:45.280
be here with you. I don't
like it, and I like this attitude

536
00:48:45.320 --> 00:48:50.280
that you've adopted. I am just
you are a bad person. Okay,

537
00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:52.719
okay, let's bring it back,
guys, but bring it. That's why

538
00:48:52.719 --> 00:48:58.360
I'm here, right, I'm here
to interven. So funny, this is

539
00:48:58.360 --> 00:49:07.320
the show we're putting on furiously,
we have to fight. I agree,

540
00:49:07.719 --> 00:49:09.400
it is kind of funny that it
does feel like the ones that sort of

541
00:49:09.440 --> 00:49:17.599
pass undetected, though I don't know. It might depend, but there is

542
00:49:17.679 --> 00:49:22.880
so much to the Clone Wars,
like I I it is. It is

543
00:49:22.960 --> 00:49:30.320
very Star Wars Wars Star Wars.
The Clone Wars, which it itself like

544
00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:35.960
obviously is very pre Disney like.
It's it's the Eye of Lucas is upon

545
00:49:36.079 --> 00:49:44.360
it for a while pretty significantly.
Uh, And I think starts out well,

546
00:49:44.639 --> 00:49:50.719
keeps going well, ends even stronger, ends phenomenally. I will never

547
00:49:50.800 --> 00:49:54.559
not talk about it, but that
comes later during actually during Disney time.

548
00:49:55.639 --> 00:50:00.119
So I don't know. I don't
know. Maybe there's like some generalizations I

549
00:50:00.199 --> 00:50:01.000
think we point to and or a
lot. It's like, well they weren't

550
00:50:01.000 --> 00:50:04.960
paying attention to That's why it got
to be so good. But like some

551
00:50:05.159 --> 00:50:07.400
things I think, I I don't
know. Sorry now I'm talking myself into

552
00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:10.519
it. I would say Bad Batch
is a pretty extraordinary show, and I

553
00:50:10.559 --> 00:50:14.920
wonder if they're also not really paying
attention to Bad Bitch. I could also

554
00:50:15.039 --> 00:50:21.000
be far of it. I read
somewhere today that said that bad Batch was

555
00:50:21.039 --> 00:50:22.880
like and or for kids, and
I'm like, hello, it's it's not

556
00:50:23.079 --> 00:50:28.119
just for kids, like it's just
fabulous, like it's just good ship good

557
00:50:28.239 --> 00:50:30.800
yeah good. I'm sick of Star
Wars being for kids? Yeah, right,

558
00:50:30.960 --> 00:50:37.360
Like whoever said that it was for
kids? Like who would say that?

559
00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:42.840
Who would say who would say that
they would want to make something like

560
00:50:42.960 --> 00:50:47.400
that? Who would who would make
Star Wars for kids? George maybe say

561
00:50:47.440 --> 00:50:52.440
it, George? Yeah, and
not even about going about just Star Wars,

562
00:50:52.599 --> 00:50:55.480
yeah, just Star Wars. Yeah, that's why it's like yeah,

563
00:50:55.559 --> 00:51:00.679
I mean also it's all and the
idea that swimming for kids have to be

564
00:51:00.800 --> 00:51:07.760
stupid, right, even that mentality
it's for Stairbender, right, like come

565
00:51:07.840 --> 00:51:13.480
on kids, like kids are stupid, yeah exactly, and stop treating them

566
00:51:13.559 --> 00:51:19.920
like they're stupid. Yeah yeah,
we yeah you have, Like I don't

567
00:51:19.920 --> 00:51:22.760
know, That's why I think about
like with scary stories and kids a lot,

568
00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:28.840
like kids like want to be scared. We're like we want to like

569
00:51:28.880 --> 00:51:30.480
protect kids. And obviously if it's
like overwhelming something, I can do that,

570
00:51:30.519 --> 00:51:34.360
but like kids want it, like
there's like this thrill, this like

571
00:51:34.480 --> 00:51:37.239
in they're they're there and kids think
complexly. It's wonderful. Yeah, we

572
00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:43.639
definitely undermine children children. Yeah,
this reminds me whenever I made a concerted

573
00:51:43.679 --> 00:51:47.519
effort to hang out with my parents. Yeah, there's a lot to unpack

574
00:51:47.599 --> 00:51:55.039
with that. Never thought about that
until just then. Uh yeah, I

575
00:51:55.159 --> 00:51:59.599
love you, I love my family. Anyway, is that nine years old

576
00:51:59.639 --> 00:52:05.599
they made the decision to start watching
er with my family? Oh yeah,

577
00:52:06.000 --> 00:52:09.360
yeah, that feels a little bit
that could be. Yeah. Well yeah,

578
00:52:09.400 --> 00:52:14.159
I was just like, that's that
feeling that I think that you're talking

579
00:52:14.199 --> 00:52:22.280
about. I think there is kids
like a challenge. Yes, they you

580
00:52:22.360 --> 00:52:25.920
say this is an adult They're like, give it to me. Yeah,

581
00:52:27.239 --> 00:52:30.280
and that makes me watch Hunt for
Red October at twelve years old. Oh,

582
00:52:30.199 --> 00:52:34.239
I was like, I'm going to
be watching scary movies, all the

583
00:52:34.280 --> 00:52:37.639
Buffy with you, yeah, and
all this is, you know, Warrior

584
00:52:37.760 --> 00:52:43.639
Princess. Well yeah, I mean
I'm watching Exorcist way too young. Oh

585
00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:49.679
okay, well yeah but that's but
yeah, is that movie is Yeah a

586
00:52:49.800 --> 00:52:53.039
lot. The was a lot,
and it didn't I have I have no

587
00:52:53.440 --> 00:52:57.840
like it wasn't like a painful memory. This isn't a memory of like oh

588
00:52:57.920 --> 00:53:00.119
man, I saw that movie and
couldn't sleep for three months. No,

589
00:53:00.360 --> 00:53:05.599
I watched that movie. I was
freaked the funk out my fun Can I

590
00:53:05.679 --> 00:53:14.039
say, can I cuss your And
I was freaking and I moved on with

591
00:53:14.159 --> 00:53:17.239
my life right here. I I'm
like, I don't know it was.

592
00:53:17.360 --> 00:53:22.239
It did not stain me in any
way. Yep, because so smart,

593
00:53:22.280 --> 00:53:29.320
because kids got kids are smart and
they want to they want adult things or

594
00:53:29.920 --> 00:53:32.880
rather they yeah, exactly what Andrea
said, They're not stupid, No,

595
00:53:34.159 --> 00:53:38.760
not stupid. Case in point.
There are some really superb set pieces in

596
00:53:38.920 --> 00:53:44.000
this because we're still kind of been
we're still kind of been. Uh,

597
00:53:44.159 --> 00:53:46.280
we're just playing with the toys at
this moment in time. Yes, And

598
00:53:46.360 --> 00:53:52.239
there are some really superb set pieces
in this, beautiful set pieces. It's

599
00:53:52.440 --> 00:53:57.880
it's a great episode of TV man. It is a great episode. It's

600
00:53:57.960 --> 00:54:05.360
fas it's terrifying speaking of kids wanting
to be scared, like it is horrifying

601
00:54:05.599 --> 00:54:12.440
as well, like because they are
absolutely just destroyed by what is effectively an

602
00:54:12.480 --> 00:54:15.840
emp right, Like that's just that, that's just like the weapon is.

603
00:54:16.280 --> 00:54:22.800
But then it's not just that,
it's that they're then systematically killed off,

604
00:54:22.360 --> 00:54:25.840
un hunted, afterwards. That's what's
so scary about it is you're like Sis

605
00:54:28.800 --> 00:54:37.440
two, Sis cis men, cis
men, yeah, cists cis just trying

606
00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:43.599
to force something continue to continue.
They're like, because the whole thing is

607
00:54:43.679 --> 00:54:46.039
that this weapon's out there, but
then no one knows what the weapon is

608
00:54:46.119 --> 00:54:49.960
because no one ever survives, and
so you're like, ooh, could have

609
00:54:50.039 --> 00:54:52.800
weapon be and it's just like blows
people, dismotherings notst o o their power.

610
00:54:53.480 --> 00:54:58.800
Then they're blown to smithereens. And
if anybody survives this, fucking Roger

611
00:54:58.960 --> 00:55:04.519
Roger battle droids, right, what
about and just like let them float out

612
00:55:04.519 --> 00:55:09.000
into space and die horrifying shit like
it, which is so funny because they're

613
00:55:09.039 --> 00:55:13.840
like doing their dumb little like battle
droids like thing, and they're just like,

614
00:55:14.199 --> 00:55:19.400
oh, we are survivor and that
it's like you throw them out in

615
00:55:19.440 --> 00:55:23.440
the space. Okay, horrifying shit. Loved it sticks so high everyone could

616
00:55:23.480 --> 00:55:28.920
die at any point. Look,
people are mad at a Psoka and Anakin

617
00:55:29.039 --> 00:55:34.199
for for being big dang heroes and
see. And I love that aspect of

618
00:55:34.280 --> 00:55:38.599
Star Wars. I love when Star
Wars questions the Jedi thing more. That's

619
00:55:38.679 --> 00:55:43.400
when I think Star Wars is at
its best when Star Wars, you know,

620
00:55:43.719 --> 00:55:47.960
And that's what why Anakin works so
much, I think is right,

621
00:55:47.960 --> 00:55:52.960
because the Jedi Order is so strict
about emotion and all of that, and

622
00:55:52.079 --> 00:55:55.960
the fact that like, on one
hand, he's telling Snips, you know,

623
00:55:57.639 --> 00:56:02.639
sick, he's doing nice, he's
telling her, you know, don't

624
00:56:04.360 --> 00:56:07.599
you know, don't defy, shut
up, you know, toe the line,

625
00:56:08.159 --> 00:56:13.880
and then he's clearly going off and
you know, and he's just like,

626
00:56:13.960 --> 00:56:16.079
well, yeah, sometimes we have
to you know, sometimes we have

627
00:56:16.280 --> 00:56:22.159
to do things right. Yes,
And it's that nuance. It's so interesting.

628
00:56:22.440 --> 00:56:24.679
Yes, Kenny has something to say, Kenny, Yes, thank you've

629
00:56:24.719 --> 00:56:29.360
raising your hand. You're welcome.
This is the first time that I processed

630
00:56:29.400 --> 00:56:37.840
that Anakin just a guy, Yeah, just a bro. You smart You

631
00:56:38.000 --> 00:56:44.199
smart folks know exactly what I'm talking
about, because every single prequel thing Anakin

632
00:56:44.239 --> 00:56:47.199
has been like, but did you
know that he's going to be Darth Vader

633
00:56:47.280 --> 00:56:52.440
one day? Oh tragic. There's
just something so said about the fact that

634
00:56:52.519 --> 00:56:57.480
he's going to be Darth Vader as
opposed to hear where he's like, hey,

635
00:56:58.039 --> 00:57:01.000
we can practice patience. Here's how
to get what you want by going

636
00:57:01.079 --> 00:57:08.039
around the system. Kenny, Welcome
to the Clone Wars. It's partly so

637
00:57:08.199 --> 00:57:12.880
sad is that he's going to be
Darth Finger at some point. What's like,

638
00:57:13.199 --> 00:57:16.639
it's because we watched Tartakovski. We
watched Clone Wars, which because if

639
00:57:16.679 --> 00:57:20.000
it's it was, I don't know
if you you've probably seen it. It's

640
00:57:20.239 --> 00:57:23.920
incredible. But like obviously it's like
short has to happen really fast. He

641
00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:30.239
spends the whole time being like the
Master, I'm so sad about this Master,

642
00:57:30.480 --> 00:57:36.400
I am ready to take the trials
Massa. And so he is very

643
00:57:36.599 --> 00:57:40.079
emo and intense. So he gets
Ye's great, good job. There are

644
00:57:40.320 --> 00:57:45.000
seven seasons here. Brannikin to just
be a dude, just be a too.

645
00:57:45.199 --> 00:57:51.679
He's just in this episode Anakin gets
a sandwich. Basically he's just like,

646
00:57:51.880 --> 00:57:57.519
I'm just having snacks and I'll know
to him a shit, right and

647
00:57:57.679 --> 00:58:01.719
like teaching a soca Like it's there. Relationship is so cute, it's good

648
00:58:04.119 --> 00:58:10.000
and powerful. M hm yep,
second only to A's so good and Rex

649
00:58:10.719 --> 00:58:15.679
besties, but yes, exactly,
they're like it actually does and you can

650
00:58:15.719 --> 00:58:19.039
see it here like it happened in
the movie. It happened in the first,

651
00:58:19.400 --> 00:58:22.079
like in the first episode, the
technical first episode they weren't in it,

652
00:58:22.199 --> 00:58:27.039
but in the movie, and then
in this one getting to see their

653
00:58:27.159 --> 00:58:32.719
relationship and how they work with one
another. Uh, and yeah, it's

654
00:58:32.920 --> 00:58:39.679
it's very much teacher teacher student and
like he's a little shithead and he's like

655
00:58:39.719 --> 00:58:44.960
a little shithead and a fun kind
of way. Like the movie I was

656
00:58:45.039 --> 00:58:47.960
so focused on. I don't know, it's being a Star Wars movie.

657
00:58:49.440 --> 00:58:54.639
What is this the various emotions that
go on with watching a scene that is

658
00:58:54.679 --> 00:58:59.920
pronounced a Star Wars movie? And
I feel like I lost right. I

659
00:59:00.400 --> 00:59:05.679
wasn't paying attention to a lot of
the new character pieces I was supposed to

660
00:59:05.719 --> 00:59:10.559
hear where Anakin is an He's just
a guy, you know. Yeah.

661
00:59:10.719 --> 00:59:15.360
And also Andrea, you are like
speaking my language, and I hope everyone

662
00:59:15.400 --> 00:59:22.639
else is too that, Like we
know the Jedi are fucking up, Like,

663
00:59:22.920 --> 00:59:27.159
yeah, they lost they lost the
thread, like they lost the narrative.

664
00:59:28.280 --> 00:59:31.079
It's like the downfall, Like the
rules that they have in place are

665
00:59:31.280 --> 00:59:36.800
arbitrary, they don't make sense,
they're inconsistent. They made terrible choices.

666
00:59:37.039 --> 00:59:43.760
I've been mad about it since Empire
strikes back, Like the moment I was

667
00:59:43.840 --> 00:59:47.599
just like, what the fuck is
Yoda saying? What are you talking about?

668
00:59:49.039 --> 00:59:52.159
Do you truly think withholding information is
the way to do anything that's bad

669
00:59:52.280 --> 00:59:58.360
pedagogy? Absolutely not, And I
think it's like a remnant of that,

670
00:59:59.199 --> 01:00:01.039
that like way of doing things.
And even years later you can see,

671
01:00:01.119 --> 01:00:06.280
like we're assuming, of course prequels
and everything that happens like that, he'd

672
01:00:06.360 --> 01:00:10.599
still be in that headspace Yoda would
and Obi Wan. So I'm I'm very

673
01:00:10.760 --> 01:00:16.159
anti Jedi order like as it is
structured, and so it is great to

674
01:00:16.239 --> 01:00:21.519
watch it get like systematically, like
you know, like let's chip away at

675
01:00:21.559 --> 01:00:23.639
it. So there's a reason I
love Vader, and I love the Sith,

676
01:00:23.760 --> 01:00:28.960
and I love right there's some some
of those characters are so good,

677
01:00:29.079 --> 01:00:32.679
and there's so much better than in
the Jedi in so many ways, and

678
01:00:34.480 --> 01:00:37.000
they're more interesting, and they're more
complex, and they have feelings in they're

679
01:00:37.519 --> 01:00:40.840
they're like real people, right,
and the Jedi sometimes they're like, oh,

680
01:00:42.519 --> 01:00:45.480
you know, like I don't know, right, like Jedi. And

681
01:00:45.719 --> 01:00:50.840
if we were like to put put
it into like author context of I guess

682
01:00:51.000 --> 01:00:57.199
the Lucas perspective, it has always
struck me as like a childish vision of

683
01:00:57.519 --> 01:01:01.880
like Eastern uh kind of philosophy,
like a lack of a fundamental understanding of

684
01:01:02.039 --> 01:01:08.400
like what actual say, like like
like philosophies of like not letting go,

685
01:01:08.559 --> 01:01:12.840
but you know, like sort of
like it's not about not loving people or

686
01:01:14.000 --> 01:01:16.360
not wanting to save people's lives,
like you know, it's not that,

687
01:01:16.639 --> 01:01:22.679
it's it's it's it's more of kind
of like understanding and like the sort of

688
01:01:22.840 --> 01:01:27.199
path of life that like death is
part of the path as well. So

689
01:01:27.679 --> 01:01:30.360
yes, I gotta say, I
gotta not to just attribute it to George

690
01:01:30.440 --> 01:01:35.400
Lucas. I gotta remind you,
uh and please correct me. Listeners of

691
01:01:35.440 --> 01:01:38.079
track Wars go to patron dot com
plast track Wars pod. Don't try it

692
01:01:39.480 --> 01:01:43.000
correct me. But I'm pretty sure
Lawrence Kasnian was the one that brought the

693
01:01:43.039 --> 01:01:47.519
Buddhist stuff to Empire strikes back.
So but so what about like I mean,

694
01:01:47.880 --> 01:01:52.760
good, good, great point,
but I'm thinking of like even Origins

695
01:01:52.960 --> 01:01:58.280
and Star Wars, you know,
except the Star Wars is more just like

696
01:01:58.400 --> 01:02:07.760
let go, but it's uh,
he's using Eastern aesthetics to decorate his uh

697
01:02:07.039 --> 01:02:13.360
science fiction thing. And before he
chose one of two ways to go with

698
01:02:13.440 --> 01:02:17.519
Star Wars. It could have been
Indiana Jones type adventures, because we've got

699
01:02:17.559 --> 01:02:22.239
Splinter of the Mind's Eye, which
is also just another adventure, a proposed

700
01:02:22.320 --> 01:02:28.199
possible sequel for Star Wars. It
could have been just that the philosophy and

701
01:02:28.239 --> 01:02:34.480
the meanings don't necessarily get any deeper
until Empire strikes well, so, so

702
01:02:35.679 --> 01:02:39.360
okay, that makes it. Also, I was just piping in just to

703
01:02:39.519 --> 01:02:45.079
be like, remember, one of
our mission statements is that George Lucas didn't

704
01:02:45.119 --> 01:02:50.039
do it. Least He's not the
only one. I think though, by

705
01:02:50.119 --> 01:02:55.280
the time we get to the prequels. Oh yeah, oh yeah, oh,

706
01:02:57.000 --> 01:03:00.719
we can also be mad at Lawrence
cast In. I'm fine with that.

707
01:03:00.320 --> 01:03:07.239
Yeah, I blame them all all. Now, obviously we we love

708
01:03:07.320 --> 01:03:12.119
Empire. Uh. Speaking of Lawrence
Castan and the Big Chill, it's going

709
01:03:12.199 --> 01:03:15.519
to be a big thrill for me
to present this deep dive. Here we

710
01:03:15.719 --> 01:03:25.119
go. Oh my god, my
traverishes are getting sweatier and sweatier. I

711
01:03:25.199 --> 01:03:29.400
think that. I think the meats
are getting better. I really like it.

712
01:03:30.079 --> 01:03:34.800
Speaking of Lawrence Castan and Grand Canyon, let's see if we can jump

713
01:03:34.880 --> 01:03:45.440
across this canyon and land into a
deep Die okay, Evil Deble, evil

714
01:03:47.400 --> 01:03:52.639
Asbin. What do you know about
Dave Filoni and PLO Coon? Oh,

715
01:03:53.199 --> 01:03:59.920
I don't, no way, I
don't. Dave Plocon is Dave Filoni's face.

716
01:04:00.559 --> 01:04:02.320
I mean, he's kind of mine. He should name them. No

717
01:04:03.400 --> 01:04:09.480
aspens, you don't understand. Really, he really loves him, to the

718
01:04:09.559 --> 01:04:13.840
point where in watching the special features
it's on my Star Wars the Clone Wars,

719
01:04:13.880 --> 01:04:16.840
he's I need a DVD. Uh, you got to get a DVD.

720
01:04:17.239 --> 01:04:19.360
I guess I could just watch it
on YouTube. I'm sure it's there.

721
01:04:19.840 --> 01:04:25.920
You can also do that. Before
he was even hired for Star Wars

722
01:04:26.000 --> 01:04:30.760
the Clone Wars, he was already
building a cosplay of plo con fun.

723
01:04:31.840 --> 01:04:38.519
He loves plo Coon, which is
why plo Coon is here. Why,

724
01:04:39.639 --> 01:04:42.400
I mean, I can guess.
He's a little guy. He's just a

725
01:04:42.400 --> 01:04:45.599
little guy. Yeah, he looks
like he looks cool. He does look

726
01:04:45.679 --> 01:04:50.639
cool. He looks a little like
a roach. You look like a roach.

727
01:04:51.079 --> 01:05:05.639
It's fair. Hey, this is
the last episode of Treck whereas I

728
01:05:05.960 --> 01:05:14.719
don't care Selicia's crump father favorite.
Can you get more Star Trek sound effects

729
01:05:14.760 --> 01:05:16.559
in here? I know? Okay, but what is very cool about.

730
01:05:16.800 --> 01:05:21.840
It's very cool about. It's a
good one. Ploon is that his little

731
01:05:23.360 --> 01:05:27.800
mask thing lets him uh be in
space? What is fabulous? Oh?

732
01:05:28.039 --> 01:05:33.519
Yes? Another note, George Lucas
wrote Star Wars heard of him, doesn't

733
01:05:33.599 --> 01:05:41.159
understand Buddhism, thinks heard of him? Heart of him? George to David

734
01:05:41.239 --> 01:05:48.079
Felony was like, why can't Plowcun
fight outside? Why can? Or why

735
01:05:48.159 --> 01:05:51.000
can't? Why can? Why?
Why can't? How? How can he

736
01:05:51.079 --> 01:05:56.360
fight outside? How? George Lucas
is like, how can to Dave Filoni

737
01:05:56.519 --> 01:05:59.679
was like, how can Plowcun fight
outside? Yep? He's outside? What

738
01:05:59.800 --> 01:06:06.480
did you? What day say?
I don't know. I feel like there,

739
01:06:06.719 --> 01:06:11.760
I'm like, there's like also you
didn't write that down. I'm sorry

740
01:06:11.800 --> 01:06:20.400
you a moment. So I've got
like a back of my mind memory of

741
01:06:20.519 --> 01:06:28.119
once being like, let's underneath Plokun's
mask? Is there's something creepy back and

742
01:06:28.320 --> 01:06:33.000
like I feel like I I once
googled it to see like what exactly?

743
01:06:34.119 --> 01:06:42.800
So let's see beautiful he's a kel
door and kel door. Yeah, I

744
01:06:42.880 --> 01:06:47.199
mean I think it's just like creepy
face basically, I mean probably not creepy

745
01:06:47.239 --> 01:06:51.800
to them. They're probably like we
look lovely and I'm probably like hot,

746
01:06:53.559 --> 01:06:58.559
Yeah, ripped. So there's sentience
species native to door and in orders to

747
01:06:58.559 --> 01:07:01.880
five oxygen rich environments required to wear
specialized breath masks that covered their eyes in

748
01:07:02.000 --> 01:07:08.519
nostrils. So they're wearing a mask
already to help them breathe in, just

749
01:07:08.639 --> 01:07:12.880
like our atmosphere and common and like
the atmospheres that I guess other people can.

750
01:07:13.119 --> 01:07:16.039
So I always assumed that's what it
was, was that he's basically wearing

751
01:07:16.119 --> 01:07:20.079
a space mask all the time.
So and he probably I don't know what

752
01:07:20.159 --> 01:07:24.840
the power of the force magnetized his
little fe sis. Yeah, but I'm

753
01:07:25.000 --> 01:07:29.199
sure that George is like his skin's
exposed to space. That's cold. Sure,

754
01:07:29.440 --> 01:07:31.679
but I don't know. Maybe,
but also Star Wars, maybe kell

755
01:07:31.760 --> 01:07:38.599
doors have stronger skin. Andrea,
what's your knowledge about Kell doors? Well,

756
01:07:39.199 --> 01:07:44.480
I did my senior thesis on Keil
door, you know, in photography

757
01:07:44.920 --> 01:07:48.440
school. Again, it's like poetry. So if they rhyn I want to

758
01:07:48.480 --> 01:07:51.199
keep hearing this, But the answer
is in Wikipedia, and I'm sure it's

759
01:07:51.199 --> 01:07:55.280
in response to this here we go. People just made it up. No,

760
01:07:55.360 --> 01:07:58.639
but I want to hear about your
thests. No, I don't have

761
01:07:58.719 --> 01:08:06.760
anything. What I am very it's
very easy for me to abandon reality when

762
01:08:06.760 --> 01:08:11.440
I'm in the middle of fiction.
I am not one of those people who's

763
01:08:11.559 --> 01:08:15.719
like that doesn't make any sense.
I mean, there's certain things like if

764
01:08:15.239 --> 01:08:18.079
if the story doesn't go right,
and it's just kind of like well,

765
01:08:18.319 --> 01:08:24.239
because you know, like they just
like cut corners and like make decisions that

766
01:08:24.399 --> 01:08:30.920
really don't like they're changing the story
and to just makes something happen. It

767
01:08:30.000 --> 01:08:33.680
doesn't fit. But at the same
time, I'm not like, well,

768
01:08:33.920 --> 01:08:39.239
that would never happen. Like people
who literally are looking up science stuff and

769
01:08:39.279 --> 01:08:42.439
they're coming on about Star Trek episodes
and they're like, well, you know,

770
01:08:42.640 --> 01:08:46.840
quantum physics says, it's like really
who no one knows and no one

771
01:08:46.960 --> 01:08:53.079
cares. I enjoyed the show also
to answer the question like it already happened

772
01:08:53.079 --> 01:08:57.840
in another Star Wars. Remember there's
a big space plate with Jedi right right,

773
01:08:59.079 --> 01:09:02.880
so that rule too. But it's
radically different because this one's more as

774
01:09:02.920 --> 01:09:06.520
opposed to Gandhi Tartakovsky, which so
many of his action scenes were just like

775
01:09:06.680 --> 01:09:12.800
numbers, numbers, numbers, We
gotta just like all of these we're going

776
01:09:12.880 --> 01:09:15.000
to overwhelm the senses and the Jedi. One Jedi will be able to fight

777
01:09:15.159 --> 01:09:19.640
like a thousand of these things this
episode. Jedi he has powers, he

778
01:09:19.760 --> 01:09:30.239
has unknown abilities. Well, he
also has thick, leathery hide. It

779
01:09:30.479 --> 01:09:33.720
covers his Yeah, it covers his
body. Allows them to survive the exposure

780
01:09:33.720 --> 01:09:39.560
of the vacuum space for a time. So they got goggles, they got

781
01:09:39.680 --> 01:09:45.880
masks, they got the guests and
listen. Also, I'm with you fiction

782
01:09:45.479 --> 01:09:51.119
if if like, unless it has
sacrificed the integrity of the story or like

783
01:09:51.199 --> 01:09:55.880
the emotional stuff, or like it
makes something out of character, I will

784
01:09:55.960 --> 01:10:00.279
forgive a multitude of sins because I'm
just like, you know what that worked

785
01:10:00.319 --> 01:10:04.000
for me? Speaking of uh,
for giving a multitude of sins. That

786
01:10:04.319 --> 01:10:10.079
end chase sequence were there in the
Twilight, I believe it's calm and again

787
01:10:10.119 --> 01:10:15.439
in Ahsoka, your favorite character.
Yeah. Uh. That did not get

788
01:10:15.439 --> 01:10:21.000
approval from George Lucas until it was
like done cool because they didn't show George.

789
01:10:23.039 --> 01:10:25.199
But then they just kind of did
it, and George was like,

790
01:10:25.319 --> 01:10:30.840
Okay, oh, we're pushing back
gently. Piece by piece, We're starting,

791
01:10:30.920 --> 01:10:36.039
we're starting our little experience of like
what happens if I just I don't

792
01:10:36.039 --> 01:10:42.239
know what if I just didn't.
Dad Dave Filoni much like a Dave Filoni,

793
01:10:42.399 --> 01:10:45.199
much like a box that you really
don't want your cat to get into.

794
01:10:46.720 --> 01:10:50.760
Taking those first tentative toe bean steps
into the box and looking around to

795
01:10:50.800 --> 01:10:59.079
see if Dad notices. Dad's like, yeah, that's cute. You could

796
01:10:59.119 --> 01:11:03.560
do that. Don't let that go
very cool. Dad's like Fedora, because

797
01:11:03.560 --> 01:11:08.560
that's what the cast name would be, Fedora. Are you going to get

798
01:11:08.600 --> 01:11:19.159
in that box? Is like,
yeah, yeah, maybe it's primarily an

799
01:11:19.239 --> 01:11:25.520
audio medium. No one can see
you be like a really cute cat right

800
01:11:25.560 --> 01:11:29.439
now. Yes, although I am
attempting to edit episodes for YouTube. What

801
01:11:29.600 --> 01:11:32.359
you can find and our YouTube channel
trek Wars podcast. Why do you think

802
01:11:32.479 --> 01:11:36.000
I have a ring light on me? What do you think I have a

803
01:11:36.079 --> 01:11:42.239
ring light on me? I still
don't worry about it. Don't worry about

804
01:11:42.279 --> 01:11:45.239
it. You look beautiful. We're
just trying. Andrea. When's the last

805
01:11:45.239 --> 01:11:50.399
time I showered? I don't know. You look great, Andrea. When's

806
01:11:50.399 --> 01:11:54.359
the last time I went to a
doctor? No one knows. It's not

807
01:11:54.439 --> 01:11:58.239
a matter of public record. It's
fine. Most of my toes are there.

808
01:11:58.800 --> 01:12:01.600
Andrea, when's last time can you
pay to his parking tickets? Who's

809
01:12:01.680 --> 01:12:12.600
to say, wow, that have
I been diagnosed by the State of Texas

810
01:12:12.680 --> 01:12:16.199
as halatosis? Have her? That
might be real? Who knows? Who

811
01:12:16.319 --> 01:12:26.439
knows the known halatosis? Have her? Am I legally required to keep up

812
01:12:26.479 --> 01:12:30.399
fifty foot radios by the State of
Texas. I would would have these rules.

813
01:12:30.479 --> 01:12:35.000
I buy into the story very much. Oh my gosh. Let else

814
01:12:35.000 --> 01:12:40.279
do you know about Texas? Andrea? Not a lot. I don't know

815
01:12:40.359 --> 01:12:44.880
a lot about You don't know anything
cool. Neither do the politicians. Again,

816
01:12:45.079 --> 01:12:50.159
like poetry, so if they run, it's a dour state of affairs.

817
01:12:50.199 --> 01:12:55.720
Speaking of state of affairs. Uh, Scotty shirt hook's in that cloaking

818
01:12:55.760 --> 01:13:00.359
device pretty quick. That's pretty awesome. Oh yeah, we were doing we're

819
01:13:00.359 --> 01:13:02.960
doing some really clear like delineation between
the two and I. Yeah. I'm

820
01:13:02.960 --> 01:13:05.079
like, oh, that's right.
We're also talking about star Trek we are,

821
01:13:05.359 --> 01:13:12.560
uh do you okay? Okay.
Sometimes we like to explore a little

822
01:13:12.640 --> 01:13:19.640
thing called thematic connections against like poetry, so that they run fucking stop if

823
01:13:19.680 --> 01:13:26.960
they're at thematic connections to be had. I'll remind you I watched this over

824
01:13:27.000 --> 01:13:32.039
a week ago and remind you you
are under oath counselor we can litigate this

825
01:13:32.159 --> 01:13:44.439
later. But objections matic connections,
I mean definitely, well yeah, I'm

826
01:13:44.560 --> 01:13:49.920
gonna right, I think definitely the
idea if you connect Kirk and Spock kind

827
01:13:49.960 --> 01:13:54.520
of going a little bit rogue right, like they were saying, like they

828
01:13:54.600 --> 01:14:00.560
were on their own, not doing
star fleet business. Yeah, connecting to

829
01:14:00.199 --> 01:14:10.039
Ahsoka and Anakin kind of you know, skirting Jedi bidness. Yes, yes,

830
01:14:10.239 --> 01:14:15.399
yes, yes, yes bisness.
Okay, who would be? Who

831
01:14:15.079 --> 01:14:21.199
is Anakin's bock or is Anakin?
Anakin must be because he's got to keep

832
01:14:21.239 --> 01:14:27.079
his feelings down. Hmmm. I
think I think Anakin's Kirk. I think

833
01:14:27.079 --> 01:14:32.760
Anakin's Kirk. And that might be
projecting because I love Ahsoka and I love

834
01:14:32.800 --> 01:14:40.520
Spots. I want that, but
Ahska, I mean, okay, remember

835
01:14:40.680 --> 01:14:45.399
remember our archetypes are like ethos,
pathos, logos. Yes, the Chandler

836
01:14:45.439 --> 01:14:55.039
and the Joey. Now that's the
other thing. That's the paternal maternal observer

837
01:14:55.319 --> 01:15:00.520
and clown. We're going for the
We're going for the trium. I can't

838
01:15:00.560 --> 01:15:08.000
do anything right, No, you're
perfect, your face is No, I'm

839
01:15:08.119 --> 01:15:17.960
not you know what I am,
that's true, the wrong am. I

840
01:15:18.079 --> 01:15:28.520
one star Trek sound effect the best
one if you're gonna have one. Sol

841
01:15:28.640 --> 01:15:33.800
is from Navy and Navy had half
day. I don't know his uh.

842
01:15:34.680 --> 01:15:40.279
His texting sound is also moopsie,
and I assume that he keeps his phone

843
01:15:40.399 --> 01:15:45.520
not on vibrate for that purpose alone, I believe I have changed it back

844
01:15:45.560 --> 01:15:51.720
to the vibration sound effect because Heidi, who's that? Who's Heidi? Who's

845
01:15:53.439 --> 01:16:05.560
Who's That's my partner? Yeah,
people are in love, all around love.

846
01:16:06.359 --> 01:16:13.039
Actually, it's all that's right?
Is it? Is it now?

847
01:16:13.119 --> 01:16:19.920
Aspen? Yeah, A long time
ago. Start dating this week. I

848
01:16:20.079 --> 01:16:25.880
quoted a boat, I dated a
game, but none of them could work

849
01:16:25.960 --> 01:16:33.159
my drive into high birth space.
The best of both worlds kept me in

850
01:16:33.520 --> 01:16:44.000
the second place. Captain slog on
a halla kron. I wanted a song.

851
01:16:44.600 --> 01:16:53.680
I penned a song. Seventeen more
minutes advise in super high dev aboard

852
01:16:53.760 --> 01:17:02.279
the USS Enterprise DT. Don't you
take my walk lighter and clip it?

853
01:17:03.279 --> 01:17:08.960
Don't you take my Richard buddy and
nip it? If you spill the tea,

854
01:17:09.199 --> 01:17:15.720
I'm gonna sip bit. I starship
it as what are we doing it

855
01:17:15.840 --> 01:17:19.520
gets me every time, every single
time, every single time. Have you

856
01:17:19.600 --> 01:17:24.760
been prepped for this? Kenny?
What did you do? Kenny? I

857
01:17:24.880 --> 01:17:29.600
think I told Andrea loosely at some
point what we were gonna do, so

858
01:17:30.000 --> 01:17:33.399
you never did used to come on
the show and talk about these episodes.

859
01:17:36.119 --> 01:17:43.680
Sounds like me, Yeah, this
is all I should have given you a

860
01:17:43.760 --> 01:17:49.079
time, expectation. I should have
given you expectations, Narry, Narry,

861
01:17:49.119 --> 01:17:54.039
an expectation, an expectation. But
I trusted you so much, I just

862
01:17:54.079 --> 01:18:00.319
said, sure, whatever. I
watched those two episodes. We're to do.

863
01:18:00.840 --> 01:18:04.800
It's called it a starship. So
we'll just basically from either property.

864
01:18:05.359 --> 01:18:10.159
You don't have to do it from
both. You can pick your favorite starship

865
01:18:10.319 --> 01:18:14.600
that like flies through the stars.
Those kinds are any kind of vehicle like

866
01:18:14.760 --> 01:18:17.720
that brings you joy because like for
example, like an ATS T or eighty

867
01:18:17.880 --> 01:18:24.840
like those count right even though they're
not starships. And then your favorite romantic

868
01:18:25.039 --> 01:18:30.239
ship. So we ship it,
stars ship it, we starship it.

869
01:18:30.479 --> 01:18:32.319
Okay, start, I'm ready for
that ship it again. You can do

870
01:18:32.399 --> 01:18:36.039
either. Ready, I'm ready,
Oh ready, you want to go first?

871
01:18:36.800 --> 01:18:41.720
I'm ready? Yeah? Start us
off? Yeah, okay, stocked

872
01:18:41.720 --> 01:18:47.319
in the Romulan lady. She got
it, she got it's now and yeah,

873
01:18:47.319 --> 01:18:50.119
that's why I'm like, I'm going
first, yes, because yeah,

874
01:18:50.119 --> 01:18:54.960
I take it. I love that
ship that I don't know what it's called.

875
01:18:55.199 --> 01:18:57.079
Well, hold on, hold on, hold on, we got to

876
01:18:57.119 --> 01:18:59.359
talk. Oh I'm sorry. I'm
sorry. I'm sorry. I mean,

877
01:18:59.600 --> 01:19:03.399
I guess we've litigated at length how
great spot in the Rock male Commander is.

878
01:19:03.439 --> 01:19:11.319
But have we missed anything? Have
we missed anything? I think I

879
01:19:11.439 --> 01:19:15.319
text you to see this, Kenny. I was like, did they figure

880
01:19:15.680 --> 01:19:21.199
into their original plan that she would
be in this spock or were they just

881
01:19:21.359 --> 01:19:25.800
like it's pleasantly surprised or they come
into it being like, well, I

882
01:19:25.880 --> 01:19:32.119
mean, who could resist him?
If I'm right, like, just because

883
01:19:32.159 --> 01:19:35.199
he's a hottie. I don't think
it matters. But I like to think

884
01:19:35.520 --> 01:19:43.039
they were just like, I bet
you everyone thinks you're hot. We'll just

885
01:19:43.279 --> 01:19:48.840
use that. I like it.
Who wouldn't want to go on spot?

886
01:19:49.039 --> 01:19:54.079
Come on? Right? I mean
exactly, yeah, I mean, Kirk,

887
01:19:54.119 --> 01:20:01.439
certainly, does you know? Am
me? Right? Good? Yeah?

888
01:20:01.479 --> 01:20:04.600
I don't know. I think they're
hot together. It's truly a great

889
01:20:04.640 --> 01:20:10.720
pairing. It is truly a great
pairing. I will go next and I

890
01:20:10.760 --> 01:20:14.800
will say Douku and Grievous. Oh, we haven't done that one before.

891
01:20:15.079 --> 01:20:18.119
We have not done that one before, because I don't think Douku and Grievous

892
01:20:18.199 --> 01:20:25.119
have been paired together as of yet. Correct me if I'm incorrect. Yeah,

893
01:20:25.279 --> 01:20:30.600
I wonder is this the first let's
see, No, they've been Oh

894
01:20:31.159 --> 01:20:40.359
no, you're right, because no
in Revenge of the Sixth so you can

895
01:20:40.439 --> 01:20:43.840
die at the top. Yeah,
so you're right, this is the first

896
01:20:44.079 --> 01:20:48.000
time. Yes, And I think
Douku is a man that is in charge

897
01:20:48.079 --> 01:20:54.640
a lot. Yes, he's in
charge a lot, a lot. What

898
01:20:54.840 --> 01:21:00.239
he sees in Grievous is not only
someone that you know, he can teach

899
01:21:00.279 --> 01:21:02.399
and manipulate, teach them the ways
of the forest and possibly become his apprentice,

900
01:21:02.439 --> 01:21:08.279
but also someone that is just Pharaoh
in the ways that Dooku wishes he

901
01:21:08.319 --> 01:21:14.520
could be, but he just can't
anymore because of who he is, what

902
01:21:14.680 --> 01:21:19.199
he represents. And so Grievous comes
into his life and he's kind of attracted

903
01:21:19.279 --> 01:21:24.600
to that kind of quality, that
kind of oh you got four arms that

904
01:21:24.680 --> 01:21:28.359
could be that could come in handy
one day, Yeah, right, Like

905
01:21:28.720 --> 01:21:33.359
maybe when you want to collect some
stuff for your collection. And then Grievous.

906
01:21:33.520 --> 01:21:38.079
All Grievous needed to see was that
curved Hilton was like, I got

907
01:21:38.359 --> 01:21:47.399
the perfect picture in my mind.
I like it. What you know what

908
01:21:47.479 --> 01:21:50.800
I mean? So that curved lightsaber
Hilt was like, I know what you're

909
01:21:50.840 --> 01:22:00.920
working with. Oh it's a dick
Joe. He's talking agains like poetry.

910
01:22:01.319 --> 01:22:09.079
I genuinely was like, what are
you saying? You have to be more

911
01:22:09.159 --> 01:22:19.119
explicite, be very obvious with your
statements. Oh my gosh, Well,

912
01:22:19.199 --> 01:22:28.159
y'all are taking the good ones.
And that's okay. That's fine. I

913
01:22:28.279 --> 01:22:33.439
will just think it through. What
what about Anakin snips? No, No,

914
01:22:36.840 --> 01:22:41.000
that's not a romantic relationship, right, right, right, I know.

915
01:22:41.119 --> 01:22:44.279
I'm sorry, that's fine. I
didn't pay attention to the rules.

916
01:22:44.439 --> 01:22:46.640
I really brought the rules. That's
okay. I gave you no lead.

917
01:22:47.279 --> 01:22:53.279
Yeah yeah, yeah, people that
you're definitely like these two should get the

918
01:22:53.399 --> 01:22:59.560
good Andrea is like the younglings,
the younglings together with like what we did

919
01:22:59.680 --> 01:23:02.680
have a hard time with the eu
Woks. We're like we're shipping children,

920
01:23:03.720 --> 01:23:10.119
all the clones. I mean,
I think a part of me I watched

921
01:23:10.159 --> 01:23:15.039
it write all of it together.
Maybe I'll go for like a weird one

922
01:23:15.800 --> 01:23:27.199
that's like a plow coon and the
clones plow coon and comes off that mask,

923
01:23:27.279 --> 01:23:30.840
comes off with the leathery skin.
Yes, the shippy face, perfect

924
01:23:30.880 --> 01:23:35.279
lips. I mean this is like, is just multi person ship. You

925
01:23:35.399 --> 01:23:40.359
take the mask off and this handsome
squid word. Yeah, Jesus Christ.

926
01:23:40.880 --> 01:23:45.760
They're trapped in that small space.
He is doing the thing that happened in

927
01:23:45.760 --> 01:23:49.479
the last episode where they're like,
sir, we's just clones. No one

928
01:23:49.560 --> 01:23:54.520
cares about us, and he goes, I do I care about you?

929
01:23:54.720 --> 01:24:02.720
I care about you like I care
Okay, sound like very penny wise,

930
01:24:11.239 --> 01:24:14.920
Yeah, I did. Like you
know, obviously there's like a certain kind

931
01:24:14.960 --> 01:24:17.520
of maybe like paternal type of protection
there, like he's you know, a

932
01:24:17.640 --> 01:24:25.600
general. But I propose it's a
little bit more. Perhaps while they were

933
01:24:25.640 --> 01:24:30.279
in there being worried about certain death, they all were having conversations about what

934
01:24:30.399 --> 01:24:32.479
it was to be alive, who
they are as people, and then maybe

935
01:24:32.640 --> 01:24:35.800
I was a little bit of a
mask slipped off and they get a little

936
01:24:35.840 --> 01:24:43.560
bit of He's she was too busy
teaching the clones about Order sixty six.

937
01:24:43.640 --> 01:24:49.560
Meanwhile, placoons in that tight space
teaching them Order sixty nine. I hate

938
01:24:49.600 --> 01:25:00.600
you. I hated it. Oh
my gosh, that's just oh my god,

939
01:25:00.720 --> 01:25:04.439
Kenny. Also sorry, Not only
was that a great joke, it's

940
01:25:04.520 --> 01:25:08.800
just reminded me again that there's so
much good for you to find in this

941
01:25:08.960 --> 01:25:14.159
show. I'm so excited. I
do it for my country. Cool ship

942
01:25:14.239 --> 01:25:17.840
ships, ships apply to the spaceship, and you could pick any ships.

943
01:25:17.840 --> 01:25:21.760
Andrea, I already know, I
already know. Yes, what's your love

944
01:25:21.920 --> 01:25:30.079
Anakin's ship? Which the box and
the t Yes, Lyne, the two

945
01:25:30.520 --> 01:25:32.640
sticks that come out of it whatever, Yes, Yes, it's great.

946
01:25:33.039 --> 01:25:38.439
They got it in the movie.
I got it from there. It's a

947
01:25:38.800 --> 01:25:42.800
great ship. Agreed. It's a
great ship and not a ship that we

948
01:25:42.880 --> 01:25:46.279
have chosen yet, which means that
you are the first and only person that

949
01:25:46.359 --> 01:25:50.760
can use the Twilight. Oh interesting, did I like almost choose it and

950
01:25:50.800 --> 01:25:54.000
then I chose a different ship?
Is that what it is? Yep,

951
01:25:54.239 --> 01:25:59.119
you chose the You chose the Beta
five from Assignment Earth got it? Oh?

952
01:25:59.239 --> 01:26:03.439
Yeah? The American tartists just to
give folks, that's that's what I

953
01:26:03.520 --> 01:26:09.359
called it. Yeah, because make
no mistake, Aspen, that's exactly what

954
01:26:09.520 --> 01:26:15.600
it is. I loved that episode
so much. I would have watched that

955
01:26:15.760 --> 01:26:23.079
show that's beIN off every day my
life. Who was American tartist? Yeah,

956
01:26:23.079 --> 01:26:25.359
that's good choice. It's good choice. Obviously I almost chose it.

957
01:26:26.199 --> 01:26:29.399
Speaking of good choices, I don't
exactly know what the name of the fighter

958
01:26:29.520 --> 01:26:33.600
is, but it is a three
wing Republic fighter Sire. It folds up

959
01:26:34.960 --> 01:26:41.079
and there's three wings, and then
whenever it flies, the wings fold down,

960
01:26:41.520 --> 01:26:46.840
and then the third wing goes from
vertical above the fuselage to vertical below

961
01:26:46.920 --> 01:26:51.079
the fuselage. And I think it
is a weird, wild design, and

962
01:26:51.199 --> 01:26:56.479
I wish I knew how to even
try and search for that choice. It's

963
01:26:56.479 --> 01:27:00.039
a V nineteen Torrent. It was
going to be mine. God damn it.

964
01:27:00.520 --> 01:27:03.479
Going last is hard? Well,
thank you, I choose to be

965
01:27:03.640 --> 01:27:08.720
nineteen Torrent. I noticed that ship
in the background. I was like,

966
01:27:08.840 --> 01:27:13.520
I like that ship. Christ I
think I'm pretty sure. Right. It's

967
01:27:13.560 --> 01:27:17.520
amazing because there's so many great ships
for you to choose from Mathmin Yeah that's

968
01:27:17.520 --> 01:27:26.279
the guy the US Center price is
out there. We've already chosen, Yeah,

969
01:27:26.399 --> 01:27:29.640
which is awesome. Why it's like
the ships can start to get hard,

970
01:27:29.720 --> 01:27:32.640
Like I can't do like I can't
do like a McCoy kirk because we've

971
01:27:32.680 --> 01:27:38.159
done it. Things like that can
be like r t D two and Cloud

972
01:27:38.199 --> 01:27:46.039
City. Can we start switching like
switch right? Okay? I did have

973
01:27:46.399 --> 01:27:50.199
Okay, I did have. I
think I don't think this one has the

974
01:27:50.279 --> 01:27:56.119
big fucking chip, the cream of
Stuku ship. And then like the ship

975
01:27:56.159 --> 01:28:00.800
that has the e MP on it, that's not the nos the malevolence.

976
01:28:00.399 --> 01:28:02.760
Oh the oh my god, that's
what it is. The malevolence. The

977
01:28:02.840 --> 01:28:08.920
malevolence is my choice because I did
say I did write it down as my

978
01:28:09.279 --> 01:28:12.359
first choice until I saw the B
nineteen. Tourning got really excited because I

979
01:28:12.359 --> 01:28:17.760
went big ship, which I'm really
into big ship. She likes big ships.

980
01:28:18.680 --> 01:28:24.880
Why, yeah, so that's fine. It's fucking big. It's really

981
01:28:25.039 --> 01:28:28.920
scary looking. It's got like a
real vibe to it, like and they

982
01:28:29.000 --> 01:28:30.640
try to, you know how they
like try to hide from it, like

983
01:28:30.880 --> 01:28:33.279
they like they turn off everything and
you know, stuff like that, and

984
01:28:33.479 --> 01:28:39.079
and and it like they but they
see them because they get like a signal

985
01:28:39.439 --> 01:28:42.439
and they're like hiding basically on the
other side of it. And I was

986
01:28:42.520 --> 01:28:45.479
like, this is like a this
is a just some Jaws shit, like

987
01:28:45.560 --> 01:28:48.479
it's so big and it could get
us, and then it does get them,

988
01:28:49.239 --> 01:28:53.000
and you're in a big Jaws phase
at this moment in time, which

989
01:28:53.039 --> 01:28:56.560
is really great. Yeah, in
my Jaws phase. He means. I

990
01:28:56.680 --> 01:29:00.399
watched Jaws for the first time a
few weeks ago and was like, this

991
01:29:00.600 --> 01:29:05.279
is one of the most anxiety provoking
films I've ever watched. I'm scared out

992
01:29:05.279 --> 01:29:10.279
of my mind. I love this
two pieces. And then I rewatched Nope,

993
01:29:10.560 --> 01:29:15.119
a film that I am deeply obsessed
with, and just went, oh,

994
01:29:15.640 --> 01:29:18.920
this is Jaws. And then I
was reading an interview today with Jordan

995
01:29:18.960 --> 01:29:20.680
Peele and he was like, yeah, I was thinking, how can he

996
01:29:20.760 --> 01:29:29.720
marry Close Encounters with Jaws? And
I went, anyway, Jaws is a

997
01:29:29.840 --> 01:29:34.119
great fucking movie. It's so good, it's fabulous. There are times in

998
01:29:34.159 --> 01:29:38.680
that movie We've talked about some patron
but this is important. This part ofid

999
01:29:38.720 --> 01:29:45.079
movie where they're just sitting and they're
just there's that whole story that that absolute

1000
01:29:45.119 --> 01:29:49.119
maniact tells and everyone is just so
entranced and it's so good, oh incredible,

1001
01:29:49.199 --> 01:29:53.159
you forget it's like you're watching a
model. You're just like, this

1002
01:29:53.399 --> 01:30:00.479
is this absolute psychopaths real life anyway. Yes, Kenny, you've got terrified

1003
01:30:00.560 --> 01:30:05.239
of water for years? Oh my
god. Yeah. It's such basic screenwriting

1004
01:30:05.279 --> 01:30:09.039
stuff, and it's so satisfying whenever
you're just like, yeah, of course

1005
01:30:10.359 --> 01:30:14.239
you're talking about Jaws and how they're
sitting there and you need those moments where

1006
01:30:14.239 --> 01:30:17.359
they're sitting there to exercise tension.
Yes, And before we get to the

1007
01:30:17.439 --> 01:30:20.000
main conceipt of the podcast, which
is which is better Star Trek in Star

1008
01:30:20.000 --> 01:30:23.920
Wars, Yes, I want to
talk about the thematic connection with us,

1009
01:30:24.119 --> 01:30:29.520
which is that both of these are
exercises in tension. Great, it's super

1010
01:30:29.640 --> 01:30:33.720
great, you're right, yeah,
yeah, and like okay, yeah,

1011
01:30:33.760 --> 01:30:39.720
so it's definitely like the Clone Wars
episode especially, it's like the steaks are

1012
01:30:39.840 --> 01:30:44.600
so high, you are absolutely terrified. You have been shown stakes that like,

1013
01:30:44.760 --> 01:30:46.840
first there's the ship, there is
the unknown, and then we see

1014
01:30:46.880 --> 01:30:50.600
the thing and then we realize what
it can do horrifying. We're trying to

1015
01:30:50.600 --> 01:30:55.119
get away from the thing. We
are found horrifying, and now that we're

1016
01:30:56.239 --> 01:30:58.880
in a position where okay, are
we safe or not safe? And then

1017
01:30:58.920 --> 01:31:00.800
we see what can happen to us. Oh, and then it's like our

1018
01:31:00.920 --> 01:31:03.800
Soka and Anna can get a stick
around? Are they gonna have to leave?

1019
01:31:04.079 --> 01:31:11.560
Ooh, attention is gor wrass?
And then the enterprise incident is are

1020
01:31:11.680 --> 01:31:15.439
the are the enterprise going to get
blowed up? I mean, I wish

1021
01:31:15.479 --> 01:31:20.279
I could have said that far more
articularly, that's it, Yeah, it's

1022
01:31:20.680 --> 01:31:25.279
it's an exercise. Then will the
enterprise be able to escape this? What

1023
01:31:25.359 --> 01:31:30.159
the heck is going on with Captain
Kirkton right to steal from? In proud

1024
01:31:30.239 --> 01:31:33.439
terms? The platform has been completely
tilted and our expectations have been subverted.

1025
01:31:34.399 --> 01:31:38.640
And then turns out it's a complete
exercise. And then the tension shifts from

1026
01:31:38.800 --> 01:31:40.960
will they be able to get out
of this? To how the heck are

1027
01:31:41.000 --> 01:31:42.800
they going to be able to get
out of this? And then Scotty has

1028
01:31:42.880 --> 01:31:46.560
to get the cloaking device bugged in
and fifteen minutes or last should have chosen

1029
01:31:46.600 --> 01:31:51.439
the cloaking device. It Scotti,
it's my shift, But you're right.

1030
01:31:51.680 --> 01:31:57.279
Can you imagine if someone ran up
to Aspen and was like, take this

1031
01:31:57.399 --> 01:32:01.399
European blender, You've only got five
minutes the parties about to start. It

1032
01:32:01.399 --> 01:32:05.319
would be bad. I'd be like, do I have to use electricity?

1033
01:32:05.439 --> 01:32:10.119
I'm afraid of electricity, or to
put it in even more star Tek terms,

1034
01:32:10.159 --> 01:32:15.920
imagine that someone has comes up to
you with a big pulsating beam of

1035
01:32:15.960 --> 01:32:20.560
glowing light and someone's and they say
this can turn everything invisible as to plug

1036
01:32:20.600 --> 01:32:27.239
it in. Ah ah, I've
never seen this piece of technology before.

1037
01:32:29.880 --> 01:32:33.279
That good. He's a miracle worker. He's incredible. Yeah. Yeah,

1038
01:32:33.439 --> 01:32:36.359
they like him trying to get it
plugged in, like I was plugged in.

1039
01:32:36.920 --> 01:32:41.159
Was just trying to plug it in. I was just like, and

1040
01:32:41.239 --> 01:32:45.720
I completely didn't bring this episode this
point up speaking getting plugged in. Aspen

1041
01:32:45.920 --> 01:32:48.800
McCoy was almost going to be in
pointed ears too, I know. But

1042
01:32:48.960 --> 01:32:53.000
then they were like, that would
be dumb if he did plastics or around

1043
01:32:53.039 --> 01:32:59.720
his own ears. I did read
that, but you know it's not stupid.

1044
01:33:00.399 --> 01:33:04.199
What central conceit of our podcast of
course, Andrea, as you will,

1045
01:33:04.319 --> 01:33:08.920
no art is a binary things are
only good or bad, which is

1046
01:33:08.960 --> 01:33:12.279
why each episode we try to answer
the one question, the most important question,

1047
01:33:12.680 --> 01:33:15.520
which is better Star Trek or Star
Wars, as we once again rank

1048
01:33:15.640 --> 01:33:21.880
the Enterprise incident from Star Trek the
original series season three versus Rising Weleven Rising

1049
01:33:23.039 --> 01:33:30.439
Malevolence rising malevolence from Star Wars The
Clone Wars, episode two of season one.

1050
01:33:30.640 --> 01:33:32.880
You don't have to go for it, you don't want, I don't

1051
01:33:32.880 --> 01:33:39.000
mind. Oh wow, Okay,
we're on your side. Oh my god,

1052
01:33:39.279 --> 01:33:41.720
we're on your side. O.
Wait okay, sorry, wait,

1053
01:33:41.720 --> 01:33:43.640
wait, wait, let's give you
let's give you a scale. Okay,

1054
01:33:43.640 --> 01:33:46.560
okay, okay, we typically go
one to ten, right, but I

1055
01:33:46.600 --> 01:33:50.720
guess something's really bad. You give
it a zero rating both of them.

1056
01:33:50.760 --> 01:33:55.439
I'm rating both of them and then
separately. But yes, here's the thing.

1057
01:33:55.560 --> 01:34:00.439
Because we're scamps, you can go
zero to ten and you can do

1058
01:34:00.520 --> 01:34:09.000
any variation therein, so you'd be
like five point three. You can.

1059
01:34:09.800 --> 01:34:23.000
Okay, we functioned by the Airbud
rules. I'm gonna it's not. I

1060
01:34:23.479 --> 01:34:27.479
enjoyed that episode. I'm going to
give that episode a seven point eight.

1061
01:34:28.079 --> 01:34:34.880
Hell yes, wow great strong?
Well hold on, sorry, I'm sorry,

1062
01:34:35.079 --> 01:34:41.199
sorry, you're good. Someone didn't
say I didn't set you up.

1063
01:34:43.119 --> 01:34:47.880
She told me Jack, Jack shut
up up? Can come? Can't come

1064
01:34:47.920 --> 01:34:51.760
to my link at eight o'clock.
Just click on it. Don't ask questions.

1065
01:34:55.880 --> 01:34:59.479
Jesus Christ, I'm not going to
have a shirt on you fine with

1066
01:34:59.560 --> 01:35:02.920
that, and he's wearing a shirt. I'm wearing. Yeah, I'm wearing

1067
01:35:02.920 --> 01:35:06.520
a shirt. Speaking of wearing a
shirt, Aspen, what do you rank

1068
01:35:06.560 --> 01:35:16.800
the Enterprise incident? Oh? Seven
point six? Oh my goodness, love

1069
01:35:16.880 --> 01:35:21.159
to see it. I liked it. You liked it. It's still gave

1070
01:35:21.279 --> 01:35:24.840
the seven point six. I love
it. Yeah, I don't know.

1071
01:35:25.399 --> 01:35:28.600
Okay, let me think about a
little bit harder. What no, you

1072
01:35:28.760 --> 01:35:31.399
know what? Thank you for saying
that, because I was like, it's

1073
01:35:31.439 --> 01:35:33.840
just been it's been a week over
a week, right, So sometimes you

1074
01:35:33.840 --> 01:35:36.800
watch other things and you forget.
But I just thought to myself, Okay,

1075
01:35:36.840 --> 01:35:39.479
well, of course I gave it
seven point six. But then I

1076
01:35:39.560 --> 01:35:42.159
was like, okay, what is
my tent? My tent is City on

1077
01:35:42.199 --> 01:35:47.479
the Edgine Forever. What is my
zero and Assignment Earth? Assignment It's not

1078
01:35:47.560 --> 01:35:53.199
a tend but I love that episode
so much. I'm excited to finally read

1079
01:35:53.239 --> 01:35:56.720
your fanfick whenever you finish your first
season. You're right currently writing out the

1080
01:35:56.760 --> 01:35:59.840
first twenty six episodes of Assignment Earth
right now, Andrea, you're muted.

1081
01:36:00.479 --> 01:36:04.640
I see your mouth. I would
say, what would I call a zero

1082
01:36:04.840 --> 01:36:09.920
star Trek episode? It's the ones, It's it's it's the ones that just

1083
01:36:10.000 --> 01:36:13.880
like make you mad. Like it's
not even necessarily the worst ones, it's

1084
01:36:13.920 --> 01:36:15.520
ones I fill you with rage.
Like which one filled me with the most

1085
01:36:15.600 --> 01:36:18.520
rage? I can't remember. I
think I have something like a two,

1086
01:36:18.640 --> 01:36:23.279
So I don't know, should again
really a zero? As I'm thinking about

1087
01:36:23.319 --> 01:36:27.600
this, you know what, I
had a great time watching this episode.

1088
01:36:28.000 --> 01:36:32.720
I thought it was fantastic. You're
right eight point three hate point damn,

1089
01:36:33.880 --> 01:36:40.640
hot damn And just as a reminder
for aspen Bread and Circuses filled you with

1090
01:36:40.800 --> 01:36:45.439
rage? God, I hated that
episode. Okay, I think an He

1091
01:36:45.520 --> 01:36:48.560
was like, this is a classic, and I was like, I hate

1092
01:36:48.680 --> 01:36:54.800
this. Wow, and y'all have
talked me up. I was going to

1093
01:36:54.840 --> 01:36:57.039
give it a seven, but now
I'm going to give it a seven point

1094
01:36:57.159 --> 01:37:00.720
five. There you go. I
was like, this is a good episode.

1095
01:37:00.800 --> 01:37:05.279
I really really enjoy this, but
y'all's positivity and then just thinking about

1096
01:37:05.319 --> 01:37:13.239
how much fun this episode was.
It is a romp. It is heightened

1097
01:37:13.279 --> 01:37:18.640
emotions. You get to see Kirk
be it a romulin with those thick as

1098
01:37:18.880 --> 01:37:24.079
hell sideburns. Do you know why
Breton's heir? Because this makes me mad?

1099
01:37:26.079 --> 01:37:29.199
I can literally listen to the episode
to explain why it makes you mad.

1100
01:37:29.479 --> 01:37:34.279
Here's an additional reason. Here we
go, there's already a romanesque group

1101
01:37:34.800 --> 01:37:42.680
and it's the Romulans. The fuck
sorry, go on, I love we

1102
01:37:42.840 --> 01:37:55.399
love our Romans. People love the
fucking romance Romulans, the Centurions anywhere.

1103
01:37:56.840 --> 01:38:01.479
But lest we see see aspens rising
malevolent feelings go away? So too,

1104
01:38:01.720 --> 01:38:06.199
should we go ahead and rank rising
malevolence? Andrea, would you be so

1105
01:38:06.359 --> 01:38:11.079
kind as to start us off?
I think I'm going to give that one

1106
01:38:11.800 --> 01:38:16.399
a seven point. Well, let
me think, let me think. Here

1107
01:38:16.479 --> 01:38:21.279
we go thinking ThinCan, I do
think, but and I know we're not

1108
01:38:21.319 --> 01:38:27.359
comparing at this moment. But just
like it was a weaker episode, but

1109
01:38:28.159 --> 01:38:33.079
like just the story was, it
wasn't as completely told, but there were

1110
01:38:33.199 --> 01:38:39.680
some There were some very like great
moments in it again between Anakin and Ahsoka

1111
01:38:40.560 --> 01:38:46.399
that were endearing. Their little relationship
is so cute, pissed a lot of

1112
01:38:46.520 --> 01:38:53.199
clones, Yes, exactly. There
there was sex happening in the ship with

1113
01:38:54.000 --> 01:39:00.720
wild sex and then yeah, and
then some of the intro that was there,

1114
01:39:02.119 --> 01:39:06.600
so the intrigue you like that,
I'm going to give that one a

1115
01:39:06.800 --> 01:39:15.600
seven point three. Okay, yeah, seven point three. Love those reasons

1116
01:39:16.640 --> 01:39:21.720
Aspen for the same reasons, but
I'm just like slightly shifted up seven point

1117
01:39:21.840 --> 01:39:30.279
nine. That's fair, and because
I agree it's a little like not as

1118
01:39:30.479 --> 01:39:34.000
like complete, but still yes,
it's a great story. But like when

1119
01:39:34.039 --> 01:39:39.439
you look at the two like and
it is completely different formats, was a

1120
01:39:39.479 --> 01:39:44.760
little bit unfair to take an animated
show against you know, live action.

1121
01:39:45.000 --> 01:39:49.920
But art is a binary. Yeah, art is yeah, speaking of art

1122
01:39:50.039 --> 01:39:54.119
is a binary. I think this
episode is better than the Enterprise incident.

1123
01:39:55.199 --> 01:39:59.640
I give this episode of Colon Wars
a seven point six, so I think

1124
01:39:59.680 --> 01:40:05.800
it exactly what it says on the
box. We've got great tense action,

1125
01:40:09.600 --> 01:40:15.680
some good character be It's nothing revolutionary, but we're slowly fleshing out characters,

1126
01:40:15.840 --> 01:40:19.520
doing the mission statement of what Ambush
set forward by saying we're gonna meet these

1127
01:40:19.560 --> 01:40:24.439
different Jedi. And then we also
get it Anakin in Ahsoka, Anakin teaching

1128
01:40:24.479 --> 01:40:29.880
a lesson repiloting who Anakin is.
We get a nice sod lesson, and

1129
01:40:30.000 --> 01:40:32.680
then we just have some great set
pieces. The outside fight is great.

1130
01:40:33.199 --> 01:40:38.399
I think sure it's apples and oranges. Comparing Star Trek and Star Wars.

1131
01:40:38.560 --> 01:40:43.479
But I think this episode of the
Clone Wars is doing what it wants to

1132
01:40:43.600 --> 01:40:48.880
do better than what the Star Trek
episode is trying to do for itself.

1133
01:40:49.000 --> 01:40:54.960
Does that make sense? That does
Oh gosh, it's so terrible that Kenny

1134
01:40:55.039 --> 01:40:59.079
thought Star Wars was better than Star
Trek. This is so bad for me.

1135
01:40:59.439 --> 01:41:03.880
That's okay, because Star Trek still
wins the week, and I won

1136
01:41:03.960 --> 01:41:10.920
the battle. I'll win the war. Rising Malevolence at a paltry seven point

1137
01:41:11.039 --> 01:41:19.319
six versus the Enterprise Incident's average out
of seven point eight seven truly a huge

1138
01:41:19.399 --> 01:41:25.119
victory. I think we're going to
be seeing a lot of squeakers this season,

1139
01:41:25.840 --> 01:41:30.319
and I am pleased as punch about
it because the real winners are us.

1140
01:41:31.319 --> 01:41:38.960
We are, yeah, in Friendship, the real Star Wars, the

1141
01:41:39.000 --> 01:41:42.600
Friends with Mail on the Way,
speaking of the friends that we made along

1142
01:41:42.680 --> 01:41:46.239
the way, Andrea, because this
is a platform, we would love to

1143
01:41:46.279 --> 01:41:49.560
give you a platform for anything that
you would like to plug, such as

1144
01:41:49.680 --> 01:41:54.800
I'm just going to so obviously say
Coach Beard's book Club, which is a

1145
01:41:55.199 --> 01:42:00.680
book club that if you have a
passing interest inted lasso and any interest in

1146
01:42:00.039 --> 01:42:06.800
actually great literature analysis, and criticism
it is. I listened to Coach Beard's

1147
01:42:06.800 --> 01:42:11.800
book Club. I mean also because
you are my friends. I consider you

1148
01:42:11.880 --> 01:42:15.119
my friends. But the reason that
you became my friends is because I don't

1149
01:42:15.159 --> 01:42:17.920
listen to podcasts that I don't enjoy, and I listen to every episode.

1150
01:42:18.119 --> 01:42:26.119
It's a great podcast. Thank you. Well. Everybody who's podcast you don't

1151
01:42:26.159 --> 01:42:31.760
listen to is like, oh weikes, yeah they do better. Coach Beard's

1152
01:42:31.840 --> 01:42:39.560
book Club? Yeah? Anything else? Can we follow you on any social

1153
01:42:39.600 --> 01:42:43.359
media? Is? Andrea? I'm
not I'm really not participating in social media

1154
01:42:43.479 --> 01:42:50.119
these days, but I do have
a Twitter, Andrea DMW. Yeah,

1155
01:42:50.239 --> 01:42:54.760
what's that? I'm kind of backing
off. I took it all off my

1156
01:42:54.880 --> 01:42:59.560
phone and I I'll go in here
and there a bit. Are you healthier?

1157
01:43:00.560 --> 01:43:05.520
I'm happier? Yes, I like
it? Yeah, christ Well,

1158
01:43:05.640 --> 01:43:09.960
everyone can follow you on Twitter and
then, yeah, feel anxious about Twitter?

1159
01:43:13.800 --> 01:43:16.920
Uh, Aspen. Do you have
any shows coming up? Yeah?

1160
01:43:18.279 --> 01:43:23.600
Yeah, people are people are in
Austin. I'm gonna be in a White

1161
01:43:23.720 --> 01:43:28.800
Lotus inspired improv show at the Hideout
Theater. It's gonna be my last show

1162
01:43:28.880 --> 01:43:32.159
in Austin before I move. Thank
yeah, right, get out of here.

1163
01:43:33.239 --> 01:43:40.319
Saturdays at seven at the Hideout Theater
starting sometime in May a week or

1164
01:43:40.359 --> 01:43:43.920
two from now. Yeis not next
not this weekend, but next weekend.

1165
01:43:44.000 --> 01:43:46.640
That is when it starts. Uh
yeah, so yeah, that's that's that's

1166
01:43:46.840 --> 01:43:50.039
okay, that's a big one.
Oh and also we're gonna I'm gonna play

1167
01:43:50.279 --> 01:43:56.000
at your show that you have at
Pinballs. Yes, hopefully probably after my

1168
01:43:56.119 --> 01:44:00.479
show. We'll see if I could. Yeah, but yeah, uh please.

1169
01:44:00.600 --> 01:44:04.399
My duo Kenny Rogers has a If
you find yourself in Austin, Texas

1170
01:44:04.560 --> 01:44:12.399
or you know around the central Texas
area, hop yourself over to Pinballs at

1171
01:44:12.560 --> 01:44:18.439
Lake Creek up by the Lake Line
Mall, or just visit on Instagram.

1172
01:44:18.920 --> 01:44:23.159
Search Kenny Rodgers Improv on Instagram,
where you can find links to our show.

1173
01:44:23.520 --> 01:44:27.199
Second Saturday of each month. We
have a standing comedy show which we

1174
01:44:27.479 --> 01:44:31.520
get another improv group, we got
a stand up or some crazy talented person

1175
01:44:31.600 --> 01:44:35.920
that we just really really enjoy what
the heck that they do, and you

1176
01:44:36.000 --> 01:44:40.720
know, my duo Kenny Rogers at
the end, come see me do comedy.

1177
01:44:41.199 --> 01:44:46.720
I dare say that it's at worst
good, at best extremely good comedy.

1178
01:44:47.159 --> 01:44:50.039
Yeah yeah, I just thought I
know where at the end of this,

1179
01:44:50.199 --> 01:44:57.239
but just real quick, I saw
a time I was just very recently

1180
01:44:57.279 --> 01:44:59.680
in LA and so I was I'm
like, I'm gonna go check out a

1181
01:44:59.720 --> 01:45:04.039
show and I saw fuck this Month
and holy shit improv and I, uh

1182
01:45:05.760 --> 01:45:09.560
so I Fucked this Month. They
were like great, like it was great

1183
01:45:09.600 --> 01:45:12.039
to watch. But also I was
like, yeah, this is just a

1184
01:45:12.079 --> 01:45:15.760
pretty good show. And there is
something really fabulous about watching like the most

1185
01:45:15.880 --> 01:45:18.079
talented people I've ever seen just have
a pretty good show. And I was

1186
01:45:18.159 --> 01:45:25.079
just like, yes, yes,
it is not like like absolutely like transcendent

1187
01:45:25.239 --> 01:45:27.720
every time. And I was like, this makes me feel good about me,

1188
01:45:30.119 --> 01:45:34.079
you know, And I was also
still a good show. Speaking of

1189
01:45:34.399 --> 01:45:38.840
transcendent experiences, why don't you go
ahead and head over and over to our

1190
01:45:38.920 --> 01:45:42.760
Patreon, Patreon dot com slash trek
Worse pod where you can get early versions

1191
01:45:42.800 --> 01:45:46.520
of these episodes and extended versions of
these transcendent experiences because they get to talk

1192
01:45:46.800 --> 01:45:51.079
with some of my absolute favorite people
in the world and also Aspen each week,

1193
01:45:51.920 --> 01:45:56.960
uh, which is absolutely delightful and
that's five dollars a month. Uh.

1194
01:45:57.079 --> 01:46:04.159
And we do also engage with correspondence
uh such me just we're out for

1195
01:46:04.319 --> 01:46:11.840
each other. I'm coming for the
cold. So anyways, we do engage

1196
01:46:11.880 --> 01:46:16.159
with our patrons, such as this
is canon. Arizona Mark commenting on our

1197
01:46:16.199 --> 01:46:20.560
Star Wars episode three, Revenge of
the Sith versus Breton Circus episode, Arizona

1198
01:46:20.600 --> 01:46:27.359
Mark comments Barris and Lemonara are An
episode two two that was five days ago.

1199
01:46:27.479 --> 01:46:31.359
Asked, well, what do you
think about that comment? Baris?

1200
01:46:31.680 --> 01:46:34.359
Oh, they are, They're an
episode. They are in Star Wars episode

1201
01:46:34.399 --> 01:46:38.960
two. They are. He's right, they are live action. That's where

1202
01:46:38.960 --> 01:46:45.119
they started. And I even noticed
it this time around and forgot, so

1203
01:46:45.479 --> 01:46:50.199
thank you for pointing that out.
Yep, thank you so much, Arizona

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Mark, Andrea, do you have
any I know that that's a controversial opinion.

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Do you have any thoughts at this
time, any thoughts at all embarrassing

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Opie being an episode two? No, I don't interesting. We might have

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to revisit that, because this is
truly a troubled time in our nation.

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And uh, I think Arizona Marx
contribution that barrisonfi are An episode two is

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right. I Asophie, I believe, I believe him. He's right.

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I can't remember quite what he was
referring to. It might have been that

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we were like I was like tap
oh. It might have been that I

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was just like, oh yeah,
like Barri's and Luminar sho up and you

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were like no, but they're also
they're in the actual the Clone Wars Tartakovsky

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episode. I was like, oh
my god, you are and he's ading

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like and also there so too,
just really dropping the ball all around here.

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And I appreciate all of you.
Thank you so much for keeping me

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accountable in these truly trying times.
Yes, I think asmen is trying to

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say hashtag believe him. Yeah,
believe him him too. Movement will think

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of them, You will think of
the way speaking of him too. We

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of these podcasts. That's YouTube dot
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we will be some sort of result. Because our SEO on YouTube is poor

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at the moment. I just do
better and looking for the links that we

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will be posting to our social media
at this point in time. Good to

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know we're building up our channel.
It is small, but mighty. We

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did get a subscriber and that's very
pleasing. Kenny is building up our channel.

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I'm having existential crises. He's doing
a great job. Well, you

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deserve to have existential crisis. You
take for whatever time you need. I'm

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good, Andrea. That's so sweet. I'm not sure I say this enough.

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Not necessarily too, Andrea, but
Andrea, I love that we talked

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so much, and I love you
for coming on this podcast, and I

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freaking love you exactly for who you
are thank you for being you. Write

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back at you and Aspen, I
love you, I love you, I

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love you. Yay. Look at
us and listeners, we love you.

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Live long and prosper, and may
the Force be with you. S